• ep 5: PLOT TWIST. Trump begins to put out ominous feelers with regards to "delaying" the election until it is 'safe.'

Don’t worry though because the constitution doesn’t allow it.

Seriously though who is going to stand up and do anything when Trump decides he might lose and cancels the election? He does stuff every day “he can’t do”. Turns out if the systems don’t actively step up and stop him he can do pretty much anything he wants.

Kind of a big hole founding fathers.

I continue to think there is a huge hole with regards to GOP controlled states unilaterally throwing out mail in ballots due to 'fraud.' There is no real federal oversight, and the fed would not fight it anyway.

If a GOP state(s) throws out their mail in ballots and certifies GOP electors, what happens? No one knows because it's never happened. Right now it's all just us hoping that they don't do it. The arguments against I'm seeing all basically seem to boil down to 'it won't happen because it hasn't happened.'

What can the courts even do at that point? I don't think they would want to get into a determination of fact as to whether or not the ballots were fraudulent. They could easily claim that is completely outside the purview of the court and just rule on whether throwing out the ballots is something within the power of the individual states.

Trumpfurer

libs are gonna get so mad lol

Mail service here has gotten kinda weird recently.

In any close election that Trump loses and is refusing to accept I think you immediately see mass numbers of people hitting the streets to protest and demand him be dragged out.


On the other side I absolutely see mass numbers of his most virulent supporters, many heavily armed also hitting the streets in what they see as their righteous rage as they see an election being 'stolen' from them, right before their eyes and the potential loss of their messiah POTUS.


Unlike in past protests where the Trump supporters tried to avoid direct conflict and cause trouble around the edges, and hoped the protesters would suffer bad press, i think, this time, they will slam head long into them looking for conflicts and excuses and things could get real bloody.

So what are the odds of Trump losing election, rejecting defeat, and the military siding with Trump leading to Lord and Emperor?

Only in your wildest imagination.

You libtards who are going to be out there chanting about dragging him out in chains for denying election results are going to hopefully quickly realize that nobody is actually arguing the other side of the position.

Trump may think he's God Emperor of the USA, but he's on an island of one there.

If you do decide to put on your most obnoxious protesting hat when we get that far, don't be surprised if those evil right wingers decide to treat you like a whiny ***** because that's how you're acting. Don't confuse it with them treating you that way because of some misguided loyalty to a Trump who tried to go full dictator.

Trump has also been in whiny ***** status for a while now, but he has only himself to blame. Should've flushed the phone with the Twitter app back in March of 2017 when it was clear that it wasn't helping.

LOL. Dude can't even stay consistent within the same post! "Nobody supports Trump seizing power, but also, if you decide to protest when he does then don't be surprised when right-wingers care more about the hat you're wearing than the USA descending into literal fascism"

How exactly do you think Trump would cancel the election? If he said that he was cancelling or postponing the election, there would be an immediate court challenge and Trump would lose. At that point, I assume that state officials either would have to hold elections or be held in contempt. My guess is that states comprising at least 3/4 of the electoral college would not even consider defying such a court order. I assume that 100% of the states that likely would go to Biden would go forward with the vote.

Hell, it isn't even obvious to me that a state like Alabama would refuse to hold elections. Alabama Republicans are dying to get Doug Jones out of the Senate. That requires an election.

He'll tweet a lot and that's about it

This seems like a much bigger risk than Trump cancelling the election.

I don't agree with this point at all. Trial courts assess whether facts support a claim of fraud all the time. It would be nonsensical for a court to say that such a determination is "outside the purview of the court."

You seem to be in denial about Trump supporters, usually armed showing up to counter protest almost any protest they see as against Trump or his positions.

That or you think they will suddenly not this time, when Trump's rule is threatened with ending.

Well I certainly hope you are right.

It just seems to me that it could be like another Rucho situation where Roberts decides that overseeing election results is another task inappropriate for the judiciary. If the Florida board of elections creates a report stating that there are massive amounts of fraudulent mail-in votes, I'm not sure I see how the court says 'no you're wrong' absent some kind of investigation to the contrary?

I think you have identified a real risk.

In certain States if they believe the majority of votes are Democratic voters they may find reasons to simply not count them and force court challenges.

One of the things ironically Trump has done with his call of Mail in Vote Fraud is showing to be lowering the chances of Republican's using that mechanism. Thus hurting his own count.

But if they know Repub's are utilizing 'turn up' more and Dem's in spots 'vote by mail' then simply not counting the 'mail votes' and forcing a prolonged court battle could see Trump declare victory in advance of the court hearings based on the votes counted at ballot stations.

This is what happened in Gore/Bush where Gore could have launched a Constitutional challenge to FLorida not counting those votes, causing chaos as Bush and Co were proclaiming victory, and instead for peace in the nation he decided to step down.

Biden might well do the same in that spot if things were going to sh*t based on the over hanging court case, being considered a way for the Courts to hijack the election away from Trump, which is what he would be screaming each day.

The Bush v. Gore decision is tough to wrap my head around. It is a violation of voting rights and the Equal Protections clause to recount because there was no recount standard, but it's not a violation to leave all those hanging chad tickets uncounted?

Rereading the summary of that case, it seems the rationale included the fact that creating a recount standard could not be done in a timely manner. That seems like it would be another count towards the Court not wanting to overturn certified results.

Again, this is something that courts do all the time, for example when they assess whether an agency action was arbitrary and capricious. I don't think the court will say that it is not an appropriate task for the judiciary.

But I agree that GOP state officials could shape the record in a way that would make it difficult for a court to determine conclusively that the state was wrong (or in the alternative, give a politically biased judge the necessary cover to rule in favor of the state).

Biden definitely would have done the same thing in Gore's shoes, especially when you consider that Gore's constitutional challenge was far from a certain winner.

But that doesn't mean that Biden would step aside if the 2020 outcome is contested by Trump. Trump's legal position is likely to be much weaker than Bush's was, but more importantly, Democrats didn't feel the same way about Bush in 2000 as they do about Trump in 2020. Any Democrat who supports Biden stepping aside in a contested election will be committing political suicide imo.

Ya, but Gore could have said "i dont accept that 'time to count' equals a reason to deny the count and throughout peoples constitutional right to a vote and their voice'.

He could have dragged it on and on to great peril of the US and thus stepped down to avoid that.

In that same spot, I think we know Trump would never have stepped down.


Not so sure. Generally speaking i agree.

But in the perfect storm I could see the Dems and Biden stepping down if the US was on the precipice of really deadly conflict escalation.

Read something interesting on Reddit. Here is a possible scenario.

If trump tries to delay the election then there is some rules where Nancy Pelosi would take over. However she is up for re=election so in fact longest standing senator would become president. That person would be Vermont's Patrick Leahy. This would actually be sick cause Pat would be way better than Biden imo.

ahhh Good old Republicans. Complaining about trump's twitter(solely because they think it makes them look bad--which is also true btw) while gorging on every minute of it. I wish he'd just shut up and tell it like it is

Yeah. This isn't going to happen.

If deadly conflict were inevitable in the scenario where Biden refused to step aside, then it probably would be inevitable even if he did step aside.

DNC getting a taste of their own medicine amirite?

Saw something interesting on MSNBC. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell - who just happens to be up for re-election and is favored to win - was asked to comment on Trump's latest tweet suggesting that the election be delayed. McConnell flat out rejected that notion making it clear that he is putting his own political self interest ahead of Trump's. (McConnell was adamant in his assertion that the election will not be postponed or delayed.)

This confirms what I've long suspected about red state Republicans. They're perfectly willing to tout the Trump line and bend over to kiss Trump's backside - right up until the moment they realize Trump's interest and their interest are not in perfect alignment. Then, seeing the iceberg rapidly approaching, they don't hesitate to abandon ship and jump off the RMS Trumptanic.