LOL. What mess?

This will go down as the best run, best "attended" election in U.S. history.

What does a "mail in ballet" look like?

NSFW.

Gotta grab that one by the ballot.

I mean it's not exactly ballet, but do you know how ****ing hard it is to get an appropriate hit for "chain maille ballet dancer" or "knight in ballet"? Doesn't help that there was apparently an artist called Laura Knight who painted ****ing ballerinas all day!

I clicked the spoiler and then almost dropped my phone thinking that was first lady Melania. She was a hottie back in the day (and still rocking it now).

Yeah, she's a looker for sure. Shame about the personality.

What personality?

This is not a hard problem. Biden will be certified the winner. If trump doesn’t leave, the secret service will kick his ass out. It will be weird as he will continue to have a ss detail but they will probably wait for him outside.

Why can’t mail in ballots come with a unique code on them. You get your ballot, go to a gov website, verify it’s you with the code that was exclusively mailed, and then you vote and can save a record of that vote. Do it in a blockchain if you must to get political approval.

So any odds on if Trump quits early ?

I guess that's a long shot but it seems plausible.

He might quit early so Pence could pardon him.

And let’s get real. He quit the actual job before he started working.

Are you an adult?

Imagine the frivolous fraud claims when voting is done online; worst yet, imagine how easy it would be to commit such fraud, even if it were blockchain.

This may have been posted already (too many threads lately IMO), but just in case:

It is done here in Australia.

Gore got more votes than Bush. they didnt count them. also, Bush's brother was in charge of counting the ballots as he was gov of FL.

The 2000 Bush vs Gore general election Florida timeline dragged on until December 13th. Neither Bush nor Gore could get to 270 electoral votes without Florida. Technically Ralph Nader of the Green Party could not win without Florida either, but Ralph Nader would have also needed another 241 electoral votes since he got a grand total of zero electoral votes. Bush ended win 271 and Gore with 266, yup 1 electoral vote is missing from an elector that didn't cast a vote.

Biden currently sitting at 290 electoral votes can win even if, for example, Pennsylvania and it's 20 electoral votes were taken away or there was a pending court case that dragged on for months. Biden is ahead in Georgia, and adding those 16 electoral votes get Biden up to a total of 306 electoral votes. No matter how you slice and dice the electoral votes, the fact that Biden has a multiple state electoral vote advantage means Trump is almost drawing dead to stop Biden from staying at or above a winning 270+ electoral votes.

Monday after the second Wednesday in December during presidential election years is when electors meet and vote. Therefore, mark your calendar for December 14, 2020. This Trump train wreck ends on that date most likely. If Biden is somehow cock blocked from getting 270+ votes then I still don't see Trump winning. It would simply be dragging out the process. So be it, it will be a President Pelosi on January 20, 2020 way more likely than a President Trump.

Is Trump preparing for a coup? Because this is how you start preparing for a coup...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...resigns-435693

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/th...count-of-2000/

There comes a time in this post-election period where it needs to be given consideration whether President Trump and his Cabinet members refusing to perform their transition duties might be conducting acts of treason.

If one wants to go into this territory, precision and consistency of language should be used. In that regard it would not be treason, since treason usually refers to the act of aiding an enemy in war-time. People also like to throw the "sedition" term around, but "sedition" is a term used rarely in modern democracies, since various rights and protections tends to be understood extremely broadly in this context (for obvious reasons).

I'm no expert on US law, but it seems transitions are mostly governed by more modern acts / law. I would guess violations of these would be the most applicable legal framework. And in that context, probably when official mechanisms are in play. Not that it isn't unethical and horrible to not engage in transition of power in the middle of a pandemic, but law and ethics do not always walk hand in hand.

But as I have said many, many times on this forum: Modern democracies are really more governed by norm than they are by law. Not in the sense that the laws aren't important, but in the sense that it is very easy to have pretty laws (many dictatorships have fabulous-looking laws), but they aren't worth anything without good norms.

Sadly the above is these days used more to defend actions ("well, it's not illegal!"), and criticism that points to norms is often looked upon as weak or irrelevant. We can use an analogy to illuminate how misguided this is: Would you want the policeman arresting you to a) be respectful of you and conscientious about use of power) be a sociopath, but only willing to hurt you when the law could be used to defend him.

The title of this thread should be updated to
Donald Trump Rejects Electoral Defeat

Or "Did anyone really think Donald Trump would accept electoral defeat?"

Guys who didn't know how to turn on the lights at the WH don't know how elections work