Modern mainstream academia claims it is. Here is a recent discussion with turtletom, a fairly typical gender studies student/graduate, on same, brought out of the "free speech" thread:
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Lol, revisit free speech.
That's impossible in the white male oppressive patriarchy we currently live in...
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I object to this speech. It's racist, sexist, exclusionary, and casts aspersions without evidence, in fact contrary to the evidence (it's a lock we don't live in a patriarchy by any reasonable definition of the word - contrast with 1800s Germany or most current Muslim countries as examples of actual patriarchies where females are actual second class citizens in law and in life; there is none in the West today).
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Originally Posted by Toothsayer
There was a complete lack of response to the substantive questions of my posts. How do you justify calling something not just a "patriarchy" but an "oppressive patriarchy" when by all standards it doesn't fit that name and falls far short of actual oppressive patriarchies, of which we have ample living and historical examples?
I sometimes chat on a self-help site as a listener and there are often Muslim women from the harsher countries on there, despairing their life. It breaks my heart. They are owned by the men in their life - first their father and then their (arranged husband), both legally and religiously. They can't study, travel, have friends without the permission of the husband, change their religion, decide on much of their daily activities. They have to be available him sexually always whether they want to or not. They can't own property, leave the house without the company of a male relative, or have a passport without a male relative's approval. They are well and truly stuck.
That is an oppressive patriarchal society. The West is not, however much unhappy often mentally ill people want to create sophist constructs to claim it is.
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Originally Posted by turtletom
Read the relevant literature.
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Originally Posted by Toothsayer
I have read enough of it. As someone with a science background I found it farcical.
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You should look into taking some gender studies classes at your local junior college.
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Why? I may as well ask you to take religious studies at your local Christian church before holding forth on religion.
To me, the trouble with gender studies is that the conclusion has been predetermined based on political desires. Case in point: The West is clearly not an oppressive patriarchy by any reasonable definition of those words. Which begs the question: why use those terms rather than accurately describe it?
I'm curious where posters here fall on the divide. Is the West an "oppressive patriarchy", or "a world largely of free association and female empowerment where men do better on some metrics and women better on others"?
I think the West is very far to the latter and far enough from an "oppressive patriarchy" that such a description is transparently absurd.
Last edited by ToothSayer; 04-29-2019 at 12:43 PM.
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