I didn't read it at all. The link takes me to the Hindustan Times. India being a very socially conservative culture and therefore me wondering if this is going to be a balanced piece or some random op-ed you've found from a conservative publication. Especially given your UK link is to The Daily Mail, a conservative rag I'm reluctant to ever read. This is why you're not supposed to spam links and youtube videos as is your wont. You're supposed to explain the relevance and how they support whatever your opinion is.

Yes. No. Does it matter? What's your point? Is it that bisexual people are less capable of having a monogamous relationship? Because that's a prejudice on your part that I doubt you can begin to justify.

Did Nacho actually get HIV from a trans person? What's the relevance if he did? Are you "just stating facts" that trans people get HIV? Because straight people get that too.

This!

While I've never tripped out on acid, I suspect it's a lot like reading a typical washoe post. I often have no idea what he's trying to say, and I kinda think that he has no idea what he's trying to say, either.

Well, since this is a thread about transgender I think it should be mentioned.

"Rocco sifredi confirms nacho has hiv, and he thinks he got it from a transexual: (what he says now idk, imo it's damage control)
https://mikesouth.com/hiv/rocco-siff...-is-hiv-38321/

Note that I posted about the hypocracy and bullying of August Ames, who then commuted suicide. She was attacked for refusing to film with nacho Vidal, because he was "cross over performer"

What point are you trying to make?

Why? I can save you time in future and say that you don't have to post every random snippet that's tangentially related to a conversation every time you think of one.

Great, so Rocco Siffredi has guessed that's where he got it from.

I'm sure August Ames is a tragic story and online bullying on social media is a big problem. Where I'm still confused is what this has to do with anything being discussed. It comes across as you posting something negative that's slightly trans related for no real reason.

My point is august ames should not have been bullied for refusing nacho.

Read the above article:

"Read carefully what Rocco said about how he thinks Nacho Vidal caught HIV.

“So he took it recently in Colombia where he went, or in Spain where he attends trans no stop, he in his private life only them. Which are top for fantasies, three, four, you and your woman, but they’re too much at risk.

It is very difficult to find trans-negatives, they are positive for everything. Who goes with the trans risks his life. Silvera and other colleagues turn with the trans and earn ten times more than me, but when they send them to do the tests eight out of ten are positive for the diseases.

John Stagliano, a great director, fifteen years ago calls me from Brazil: I am convinced that I caught Hiv. He had himself taken from behind. He told me that it was as if he had looked for him, his woman had committed suicide.

Nacho is a very free person, not part of the American mechanism where gays go with gays and straight men with straight men. He is really the maximum expression of what I call ‘all sex’, hangs out everywhere. He’s a huge hetero with women, but he can also be a huge gay with gays”.

Yeah. I really, really don't see why this is relevant to the discussion.

I agree that it is not relevant for this discussion. Sorry for derail.

Im still angry at the porn industry, especially how they deal with "cross over" performers.
August Ames is dead you know? And she is dead because she stuck to her principles, principles which should have been accepted. And an angry mob of lgtb advocates lead on that mob that caused it all. So called political correctness was the cause there.

I Have to agree that my posts might have been harmful for trans people and maybe should be removed.

Sometimes one forgets that they're on the internet, but I can officially say this is the first time I've read a sentence beginning with, "I'm still angry at the porn industry..."

I clearly don't hang out on the right websites.

What is a cross over performer, and what did the industry do to draw your anger?

Was it actually lgbt advocates or just a bunch of mentally ill internet dwellers hiding behind the group looking to get high off of causing pain towards others? If they were legit folks then yes, **** em.

A cross over performer is an adult actor who performs in straight adult movies as well as in trans adult movies.
What they don't tell you is, apparently starring in trans adult movies is a bit like russian roulette.

What drew my anger? It's simple. August Ames refused to shoot with someone who is a cross over performer. Something that many people agree with, and she wasn't the first one refusing this for safety reasons.
But she did it publicly on social media. She was naive and thought this is the most logical thing she can do and everyone would understand it.

It turned out that she was attacked by numerous people saying she was homophobic. In reality she wasn't. She was legit concerned about her health. Well, she got destroyed for this, even by some other adult stars. Shame on them, honestly. She committed suicide shortly after. All her peers said it was this mob that destroyed her.

They thought they were lgtb advocate. Im not sure if they still think that or if they reconsidered their position.
They were legit folks, some big names from that industry. They all ganged up on her infuriated that she is being homophobic. In reality she was only aware of the risks. Sad thing is she was right in the end. That guy she didn't want to perform with apparently had it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Ames

Didnt realize how bad it was, yes. Sorry Ranma, sorry everyone.

I want say that I almost regret bringing this up, my intention is not harm or offend anyone, but to state facts as this is not commonly known. If I want to inform you of anything, then of these conditions. The porn industry has many problems, this one involves trans and gay people. This has almost nothing to do with regular gay or trans people, more with the industry itself.

Cuepee, you are welcome, now nobody is calling you a homophobic anymore, which I thought was completely ridiculous, because you are not.
Im not homophobic either, but might have made myself a the target now. I deal and make friends with gay and trans people, having no problems whatsoever.

But lets look at this incredible data:

"1 in 5 gay, bisexual men in U.S. cities has HIV" many do not even know of their condition. Which I find rather frightening. I am for more testing and awarness of this to prevent more spreading.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...68M3H220100923

"Sex Worker Jacen Zhu on Meth, HIV, and Racism in Gay Porn"
https://marksking.com/my-fabulous-di...ker-jacen-zhu/

"roughly half were among men who work in gay films, and the other half were men and women working in heterosexual productions" and its not even close, bladesman, as there are way more performers in the straight category.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual...raphy_industry


Read carefully what ex performers say about the industry. Scroll down and you can read testimonies about their experiences and the risks they took.
https://fightthenewdrug.org/3-male-p...es-doing-porn/

There are just too many positives in that sector, these are just a few examples.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/gay-...owerful-video/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...et-cdc-reports

I have excised this thread from the the parent thread.

Please do a bit less rambling, Washoe.

Thanks TD, and sorry for all this mess. I didnt really want to make you work more after your hike. Hope it was all good. Bladesman is pulling my triggers.

I'm just not going to read any links you don't summarise. I don't just want quotes or for you to say "read this", I want "Here's what I'm arguing and here's how this supports that claim".

Don't condescend to me with "anyone with half a brain" when all you ever seem to do is agree with the last person you listened to. Literally every thread is you capitulating on whatever half-cocked thought you saw a YouTube about. I'll leave the personal stuff at that if you'll do the same.

The adult film industry is very exploitative. It has a lot of problems. It's routine for performers to contract various STIs and that's not a good thing. I'll also accept that performers are at increased risk of HIV. I'll accept that mental health is a huge concern in the industry as is the coercion of performers into situations they don't wish to be in. None of that is in contention.

What was in contention was the risk of performing with trans people, and when pressed on the absurd claim that performing with a trans person is "like Russian roulette" what you've done is spam me with stories about people who have performed in gay scenes. You've even then gone and undermined it further with "regular porn is already a bit like russian roulette". Okay, so it's not that different to regular porn then.

Really, you've brought up an irrelevant topic and then attempted to back it up by talking about something else entirely.

I disagree. So long as it is in a containment thread, I think a lengthy digression by washoe on this topic could be quite entertaining.

Well my dispute with it was mostly down to it being brought up as a trans issue so I doubt I have much more to say for now, but if Washoe wants to make this a discussion about the adult film industry then I think there's plenty of interesting stuff under that umbrella.

Paging Dominic.

This is a significant number. That's 20%, less than 1% of all Americans population has hiv for reference. Reuters is talking about 'in us cities' , which of course is not a perfect comparison, but still. Imo August Ames was right. It's a known secret that they are at a much higher risk if they work with cross overs.

I appreciate your concerns and you stepping in. That was a right thing to do. I was a bit out of line which I apologized for to ranma and others. Still don't get how you don't get that none of what August did was homophobic. You wouldn't take the risks yourself in that industry I'm assuming. It would be highly hypocritical if you said you would imo.

I don't know what this reference is but yet I'm pretty sure I understand what it means.