I deleted the post because I felt at that point it was bordering on too harsh. The situation that you’ve described does not mean that you aren’t sheltered

If you read this thread you are extremely selective of the info that you absorb while insisting that you are an open and fair person. Someone who has a tendency to do this is prone to being sheltered from others realities

Well I am shocked I never knew this about the UK

Interesting, thanks. Here, you not only need an ID to rent and apartment or get a job, but most places also do a credit check and background check before letting you move in or hiring you.

You would have to show stuff like utility bills etc from your old address, showing a letter from the tax man etc would be fine, you will be probably be checked by credit agencies but some LLs dont bother.

For a few of the things I mentioned, you could probably show a bill or something like that instead of an ID, but those are generally more expensive and tougher to get than an ID in my experience. You have to have a significant amount of money to have utility bills in your name (including a deposit if you don't have a great payment history). You can show things like that when getting an ID in a new state after moving; you show the agency your old ID and some proof of your new address like a lease or a utility bill, then they take your old ID and give you a new one. It can be a time waster and a needless (though small) expense to do that process at a state motor vehicles department, which is part of why I think a national ID would be better.

Or we could just continue on not having completely unnecessary voter IDs.

You can get a national id if you want one, I have never seen one or known anyone get one.

Yep, and we also could continue giving Republicans another talking point for their voter fraud narrative which could easily result in a stolen presidential election, as well as leaving people to live on the street without access to helpful assistance programs which require ID.

Personally, I don't think the status quo is something I want to keep.

Yeah, whats up with that?

The only ones not engaging in that ignore tactic in the politics section are:

victor, luckbox, lozen, chez, campfire, you, me, mostly cuepee, (cuepee on certain topics) david sklansky, bryce, andre, formula, those are honest and perfectly reasonable. (at least they dont try to divert from your truth. I probably forgot some. The other ones engage in gas lighting, right? what else could you call that? If you tell them the truth they ignore it. no reasonable.

And then you have the opposite, the trolls: trolly and nutella and the burner accounts.

so all ID's are free all the time with as many replacements as needed, correct? and we're increasing the places you can obtain an ID to guarantee that every single community in the United States has access to a place that can get an ID?
and what about the documents needed to obtain an ID? are we making sure all of those are free and just as easily obtainable?
transportation provided to and from all these places provided as well? missed work reimbursement? because otherwise, poll tax.

or just laugh at republicans and call out their obviously racist efforts? because there is no problem of voter fraud in the United States..

Hey Im willing to change my opinion on Voter ID for in person voting. Though not for mail in ballots

I still can not fathom how you even survive in society without a picture ID

Yeah, you basically cant do anything without an ID.

I have never met anyone without and ID, NEVER that I know of. I mean I have probably met a few bums on the streets without an ID. I think its perfectly reasonable to not let them vote. They need to get helped.

Do you know anyone without an ID, anyone?

If so should they vote? Are they part of society? If they are not part of society why should they vote?

I was asked for ID recently trying to buy kombucha. I did not give it.

So basically everything! without an ID you have no life as we would call it, not part of society, right?

Consider taking this to heart then

seriously? id for kombucha?

i think i've pulled out my ID maybe once or twice in the last couple years total. by that i mean in daily life out side of my specific profession. i occasionally use a court ID and my bar card(but still rarely ever anymore once you're known).


also we aren't talking about people NEVER having had an ID. that is also a subset of people, but not having a current valid ID isn't the same as never having had one.

lol, taking away their talking points by adopting their policies is a fun idea.

We could also just not have voter IDs and tell MAGA chuds to go pound sand.

dem platform 2024 voter ID, Banning Critical Race Theory, outlawing trans people, establishing English as the National Language and Christianity as the National Religion to take away republican talking points

Yeah it was nuts. The brown bottle ones are like 1.5% alcohol and require you to be 21. Except I'm way older.

At what obviously over 21 age do bars stop asking for ID in Yanklandia?

Weatherspoons is a very big pub chain in the UK that caters to a young crowd (as well as old gits like me). This is their policy

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/contact/faqs/pubs

Only applied to young (<25ish) looking people but that's 7 years or so of normal life.

Yea but most/all towns have at least one pub that serves a younger audience no questions asked.

Sure but weatherspoons is cheap and popular.

IMO it was much better in the good old days when i could buy a pint in my locals at 15. Those days are gone or disappearing fast and we're doing a huge disservice to lessor privileged people not to recognise it.

and 5 south, perfectly reasonable. And the mods are pretty cool too,
you can reason with tame, king and bobo, too. Except about assange, which is weird, but whatever. And uke when he doesnt feel the need to represent the establishment. and rococo, when he doesnt need to... and montreal, except about africa. and trolly you can reason with too, until you cant about certain topics.