Turns out killing terrorists is based.

The standard answer I got when trump said he was going to murder drug dealers and commit war crimes by executing tge families of terrorists and people cheered was that it’s elitist to critic them because that’s their culture.

I was referring to the economy up until Covid hit. Covid trainwrecked a lot of economies, not just the US.

Bullshit. He left the White House peacefully.

He didn't pressure officials to falsify outcomes. Once again more bullshit.

And he wanted his vice-president and allies in congress to temporarily delay certification until certain ballot anomalies in some states were sorted out. There was a process whereby that could have been legally possible to do. Ironically the invasion of the Capitol prevented that process from taking place.


Again more bullshit. I would suggest you cut down on the lying if you want to have a productive debate.

In five of the seven states they portrayed themselves as legitimate slates of electors. This was at the request of Donald Trump using Eastman as his lawyer. To be clear, these electors were fake and it was made to appear like real electors, and the plan was to get Pence to act like he had no idea which were the real ones and which were the fake ones, and then a contingent election would be held in the congress, which Trump would win.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trum..._electors_plot

This is just not contested, we have the communications. They don’t even pretend that they were trying to just get it looked at, they thought they could overturn the election results this way.

January 6th IS Trump’s responsibility. He was trying a last ditch effort to put pressure on Mike Pence because Pence had already said he wasn’t going to go along with it. That’s why Trump waited 2 and a half hours before he did anything, despite pleas from his own family. He was watching the news, sulking like a little kid.

This is what he tweeted while there was still a mob ascending in the capitol building, after two pipe bombs had already been found that day

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...Capitol_attack

But yeah if your point is that Trump’s attack on US democracy started far before Jan 6, I agree. That was the last ditch effort and luckily it failed.

"What does deporting people who support Hamas mean"? You could ask the German socialist ministry of the interior who agrees with doing that.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rs-2023-10-20/

It means that if an immigrant gives you any element to think he is pro Hamas he loses the right to be on your soil.

It isn't beyond disgusting for the average American, and you know that from American movies among other things.

Given the attempt to change Nebraska EC attribution just failed, this map means that even if Trump wins Nevada, Harris is president

COVID was not half of the 8 trillions debt he added….
Worst is , never seen before , huge deficit in a non recession non war environment during trump years ….

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

Trump was just terrible , period .

He leave peacefully once he try and fail every legal and illegal scheme he could find to inverse the election results and STILL lie to this day he won !

2022 and 2023 had no covid emergency, life was completly normal, unemployment was very low, yet deficits were higher than in 2017, 18, 19.

If you think Trump was terrible you objectively have to claim Biden was literally a lot worse than that.

Ofc presidents don't decide deficits , congresses do, but you guys keep claiming potus does, so where is the long list of insults at the worst ever by Biden, with no recession?

Unfortunately, facts don't care about your feelings.

Was it you who perma'd joe6pack? If so, this is your fault for not IP banning him.

Accepting responsibility is so 2015.

As Pennsylvania goes, so goes the nation.

I think there’s a small chance Harris wins PA and loses WI both by really slim margins.

I feel like Harris wins. I wouldn't have thought that a few months ago. She's such a horrid politician, just a totally unskilled embarrassment. But it feels like somehow she won the branding war against Trump. I really don't know how they did it. I've been watching polling for quite a few elections by now and I've never seen the kind of shift we've seen towards the Dems, nothing even remotely close comes to mind.

It must have been those series of events with the ear shooting, choosing Vance, and the dems ditching the whole weekend at Bernie's tour in favor of someone who (probably) knows physically where they are. The assassination attempt was a lot of drama and people have to be getting sick of the Trump soap opera by now. The Vance pick was clearly Trump listening to Don Jr. and Thiel, two people who are way too online to be advising the Trump campaign effectively, and it was a disaster. It gave a new life to fears about some weird conservative incel agenda for the country. I don't see Trump getting that stink off his brand. His only hope is that when people get into the booth they get cold feet about putting a minority woman in power, but Kamala is about as white as one can get in her personality and, additionally, between the last 2 presidents it is becoming more obvious that finance capital runs the country and Kamala won't actually be in control of anything. People get that we are voting for how we feel about things, not voting for actual policy preferences.

Deuces predicting a Harris victory is pretty bad news, we all know how his predictions go. Hoping you're that broken clock, Deuces.

Biden deficit is smaller even nominally
Biden % deficit to gdp is smaller
Biden was stuck still with Covid crisis and stuck with an international inflation problem which obviously increase cost for the governments
Biden had to deal and help Ukraine

I’ll stop here .
Nah Biden is far less problematic then trump …

No the deficits in 2022 and 2023 aren't smaller than in 2017, 18, 19 (the non covid years)

No the deficit as a % of gdp isn't smaller.

No there wasn't no crisis, the vaccine was already available and everything could be reopened in full . The inflation problem was caused by the USA

Ukraine help was decided by congress and was 0.3% of american gdp

Lol Wikipedia.

Just FYI

There was a legitimate constitutional and legal process available whereby congressional floor challenges could be tabled that would require the house to halt certification and have a vote to suspend, to look into voting irregularities and fraud. Ironically these congressional floor challenges were just about to be tabled when the protesters invaded the Capitol. This resulted in emergency house rules being applied which prevented the vote to suspend taking place when the house reconvened.

So, why on earth would Trump want his supporters to invade the Capitol and thus prevent a legal suspension of the certification process? It doesn't make sense.

Also FYI

Trump requested 10000 national guard troops for Jan 6 but was turned down. (Proof in the link below)

If his request had been acted on the invasion of the Capitol would never have happened. Even after the Capitol invasion was under way further requests for national guard help were rejected.

Here are some of the real culprits for Jan 6.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-...nce=ff3f1c747f

Lol

You haven't provided any facts. Just regurgitating propaganda fed to you from left wing media doesn't qualify as facts.

True story.

Yeah, those linked quotes are just absolutely convincing. Transcripts……..loooooooooooool.

Unlike the Gateway Pundit, that's a pretty reliable, unbiased news source. Lol you, always and forever.

Why did your joe6pack account get banned, and more to the point, why hasn't this one?

What planet you living on ?
2021 covid was still a thing worldwide with big expenses.

Debt to gdp went down 2021+
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S

the economy kept growing under Biden massively .
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP


What does that mean ?
What’s worst :
Borrowing 20K on 100k assets (trump)
Borrowing 25k on 150k assets (Biden)

So yeah the nominal deficit grew under Biden but ffs ….
9% inflation with 5% interest rates don’t you think spending will go up ?

And even so with those massive increase in spending due to worldwide inflation Biden is near % deficit to gdp near trump 2019!!!!

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

Has interest rates inflation go down more and more , deficit is decreasing to gdp despite having a worst worldwide situation with many conflicts , slower economy .


Here what really happening .
Trump January 16 to dec 2020 :19t to 27.7 trillions
Biden January 21 to aug 24 : 27.7t to 35.3t ( I will give u 36t to dec 2024 !)
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...overnment-debt

Trump debt increase 8.7 trillions (31.4%)
Biden debt increase 8.3 trillions (23%) .

Can’t imagine what the total of spending would of been under trump with such massive inflation and interest rates Biden had to deal with …

Let me guess … ah yes trump did 7 bankruptcies personally and was yelling at Powell to lower interest rates even more during his presidency to spend even more lol ….

Case in point ?
Trump did massive spending and borrowing with :
Record low unemployment
Low inflation
Low interest rates
No recession
Not much worldwide conflict
And from trump own words : « during greatest U.S. economy ever »
Until early 2020

It just made no sense at all ….