Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Vaccine passports (excised from Covid-19 thread) Vaccine passports (excised from Covid-19 thread)

04-03-2021 , 05:22 PM
Quote:
Deleted post.
LO****ingL.

So, are you thinking the US has exaggerated the death rate 18x? Or is it only 2x, and 85% of Americans have had Covid?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I mean for me personally, I'm not too interested in any sort of debate on vaccine passports.
Very open-minded of you. Not sure why you're in this thread then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Sorry...but I'm calling that fascism.
Yes, you should be sorry for your misuse of language.

Last edited by tame_deuces; 04-03-2021 at 07:33 PM.
04-03-2021 , 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Through semantic drift, it has now come to mean any sort of control freak in a position of power, or policies generated from the state (or even corporations) that inhibit individual liberty.
Nah man, “semantic drift” isn’t an unlimited free pass to abuse the language any way you choose whenever you want.
04-03-2021 , 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Original Position
Thus, according to your definition, a corporation's usage of their private property rights are necessarily fascist.
No you're being hyperliteral.

Quote:
It is your definition, if you don't like the implications of it, then use a different definition. If you disagree with my claim that private property rights restrict other people's liberty, give me an argument why that is false.

As for the relevance, a basic part of private property rights is the right to bar entry to your property. Corporations have private property rights in their stores, and thus have the right to bar entry to some people, eg people not wearing shoes or a shirt. They also have the right to bar entry to people on health grounds. Many businesses currently bar entry on the basis of whether you are wearing a mask. Barring on the basis of vaccination is conceptually the same.
Corporations and governments work together to advance the same interests, so just saying "private business" doesn't give corporations a pass.
If the airline industry were to mandate vaccines, this is now defacto goverment policy and saying "private property" doesn't change that.
And discriminating on the basis of head garments vs discriminating on the basis of who has had an injection are not really all that conceptually similar, save the discrimination part.
04-03-2021 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Nah man, “semantic drift” isn’t an unlimited free pass to abuse the language any way you choose whenever you want.
What is fascism Trolly?
04-03-2021 , 05:44 PM
As a rule of thumb I would say that fascism is not whatever you define it to be, but that is a filter that should be applied to all conspiracyderps (and anything they say) in general.


Quote:
Deleted post.
Half a million excess deaths in USA#1 alone, and that does not count the number of people with long term lingering effects, so seems pretty bad. I get that you need to push your mundane anti-vaxxer agenga, in your standard indirect manner, but the answer to your question seems pretty clear.

We all get at this point that you literally do not care if you had it and spread it to others that ends up killing people. Pretty sure you have been open about that, but that is why it is best for society that people like you are cloudscreamers on the internet for the most part, and rarely have any impact on things that would actually impact society as a whole. You openly acknowledge that you do not really matter, so keep having fun spewing your whatever on a dusty poker forum and continued luck with that Portland thing of yours.

All the best.

Last edited by tame_deuces; 04-03-2021 at 07:33 PM.
04-03-2021 , 05:50 PM
So what is the actual survival rate?
And what is it after a person gets vaccinated?
04-03-2021 , 05:55 PM
Here is the fun aspect of you asking questions. They do not matter. You always answer questions with questions - it is one of your routines, but since you do not matter - your questions do not as well.

We all know you would literally not care if you carried this thing and infected and killed others. You did not choose to dispute that in my post, because you know it is a correct assessment. Your questions do not matter on this. Go research Portland some more or something.

All the best.
04-03-2021 , 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
So what is the actual survival rate?
Why do you use numbers when you have no idea if they're actually correct? It takes seconds to figure out they're not even close.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In the US - 18x the number you are using, as I said.

Of course the reported case numbers will be low, but some indications are that the fatalities are underreported as well. As a result, I expect 1.8% would be on the high side if we knew the exact numbers of both, but nothing close to 0.1%, which would require 85% of Americans to have had Covid.
04-03-2021 , 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
Here is the fun aspect of you asking questions. They do not matter. You always answer questions with questions - it is one of your routines, but since you do not matter - your questions do not as well.

We all know you would literally not care if you carried this thing and infected and killed others. You did not choose to dispute that in my post, because you know it is a correct assessment. Your questions do not matter on this. Go research Portland some more or something.

All the best.
Nah...there wasn't a single question in your post.
And you worded the death thing weirdly...saying that I wouldn't care basically if I unknowingly killed someone...but like...how I am supposed to find out? If I could find out, then I would care. But there is a paradox there in that one could (most likely) not find out if they spread covid asymptomatically and killed someone, so I just chose to ignore your ridiculousness.
04-03-2021 , 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Nah...there wasn't a single question in your post.
And you worded the death thing weirdly...saying that wouldn't care basically if I unknowingly killed someone...but like...how I am supposed to find out? If I could find out, then I would care. But there is a paradox there in that one could (most likely) not find out if they someone spread covid asymptomatically and killed someone, so I just chose to ignore your ridiculousness.
What a convenient form of rationalization you use when needed. Since you cannot know for certain - well, if it happens it does not really exist, so why cave into the evil restrictions that the sinister forces want to impose with vaccines and health policies and such. If anyone decides to shoot a gun into a crowd they should claim they had their eyes closed so that they had no way of knowing if they killed anyone, especially if they did not read or watch the news later. They never knew! They can call it the Luckybox defense.

This is a good example why your questions are never of significance. Again, go research Portland some more.

All the best.
04-03-2021 , 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
What a convenient form of rationalization you use when needed. Since you cannot know for certain - well, if it happens it does not really exist, so why cave into the evil restrictions that the sinister forces want to impose with vaccines and health policies and such.



This is a good example why your questions are never of significance. Again, go research Portland some more.



All the best.
Are you going to mention the Portland thing in every post to make to me, as if I should feel bad for it?
04-03-2021 , 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What is fascism Trolly?
How about we not play this game where I have to explain the meaning of words to you as though you were a toddler?
04-03-2021 , 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Nah man, “semantic drift” isn’t an unlimited free pass to abuse the language any way you choose whenever you want.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
How about we not play this game where I have to explain the meaning of words to you as though you were a toddler?
How about don't make idiotic posts to me in that case? Are you trying to tell me that I need to have a precise definition of fascism or not?
How am I abusing it? Try to be able to back up your posts instead of being vague and obtuse
04-03-2021 , 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Are you going to mention the Portland thing in every post to make to me, as if I should feel bad for it?
Why would you feel bad? That was something you dedicated a lot of your time and thought toward, and since that concern of yours had literally no impact on society - it was kind of a win/win situation where you felt satisfied and you did not veer into territory where your inferior humanity became an issue, like being an anti-vaxxer. Feel free to say you are not an anti-vaxxer because you got a required vaccine to travel to a different country years ago. You seem to believe in that narrative a lot.

You should not feel bad for it, rather you should feel good for the time you spend on Portland, hence I mention it to try to get you back on that path. Hope that explained it, though if you need the toddler communication thing as mentioned in the post above let us all know. Also, good job answering his questions with multiple questions. Heh on that routine of yours, as I mentioned before.

All the best.
04-03-2021 , 06:19 PM
Honestly this all seems like fascist fragility.
Just own it.
04-03-2021 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
No you're being hyperliteral.
No, you just have a theory of language where logic doesn't apply to your statements. You say fascism means P. I point out that P implies Q, but fascism is not Q. You complain that I'm being too "literal" in understanding P, but don't revise your definition of fascism from P.

Quote:
Corporations and governments work together to advance the same interests, so just saying "private business" doesn't give corporations a pass.
If the airline industry were to mandate vaccines, this is now defacto goverment policy and saying "private property" doesn't change that.
And discriminating on the basis of head garments vs discriminating on the basis of who has had an injection are not really all that conceptually similar, save the discrimination part.
I never said "private business." I said "property rights." The public/private thing isn't essential to what I'm saying. For instance, most government (and private) schools require that you be vaccinated in order to attend, which is also not fascist. I'm only focusing on property rights because they provide clear examples of policies that inhibit individual liberty.

An airline has the right to bar entry to people for health reasons. That is because they own the airplane and as part of the rights of ownership can bar entry to people if they want (consistent with the Civil Rights Act). They've always had this right. That didn't change with COVID. Was it fascist before when an airline told someone they couldn't fly if they were sick?
04-03-2021 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
Why would you feel bad? That was something you dedicated a lot of your time and thought toward, and since that concern of yours had literally no impact on society - it was kind of a win/win situation where you felt satisfied and you did not veer into territory where your inferior humanity became an issue, like being an anti-vaxxer.

You should not feel bad for it, rather you should feel good for the time you spend on Portland, hence I mention it to try to get you back on that path. Hope that explained it, though if you need the toddler communication thing as mentioned in the post above let us all know.

All the best.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I got my yellow fever a couple years ago. And you know that because you've called me an anti vaxxer before, so try to not lie.
I'm an anti covid vaxxer.
04-03-2021 , 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Original Position
No, you just have a theory of language where logic doesn't apply to your statements. You say fascism means P. I point out that P implies Q, but fascism is not Q. You complain that I'm being too "literal" in understanding P, but don't revise your definition of fascism from P.

Logic applies to my statements just fine. But it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm always super precise either. I can work on a revised definition.




Quote:
I never said "private business." I said "property rights." The public/private thing isn't essential to what I'm saying. For instance, most government (and private) schools require that you be vaccinated in order to attend, which is also not fascist. I'm only focusing on property rights because they provide clear examples of policies that inhibit individual liberty.



An airline has the right to bar entry to people for health reasons. That is because they own the airplane and as part of the rights of ownership can bar entry to people if they want (consistent with the Civil Rights Act). They've always had this right. That didn't change with COVID. Was it fascist before when an airline told someone they couldn't fly if they were sick?
If they just show a little bit of a penis in a movie, is it pornography?
That's what your question seems like to me.

Quote:
For instance, most government (and private) schools require that you be vaccinated in order to attend, which is also not fascist.
Nah.. state control over control over people's bodies is going to be one of the definitions of fascism. I'm sure you'll find some quick counterexamples though.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 04-03-2021 at 06:37 PM.
04-03-2021 , 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Why do you use numbers when you have no idea if they're actually correct? It takes seconds to figure out they're not even close.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

In the US - 18x the number you are using, as I said.

Of course the reported case numbers will be low, but some indications are that the fatalities are underreported as well. As a result, I expect 1.8% would be on the high side if we knew the exact numbers of both, but nothing close to 0.1%, which would require 85% of Americans to have had Covid.
0.1% fatality rate would actually mean 554M cases of COVID in the US, which would be impressive in a country of 330M. And to answer an earlier Luckbox Inc question, the US case fatality rate is lower than the global rate for confirmed cases, which is 2.2%.
04-03-2021 , 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm an anti covid vaxxer.
Given your strange use of numbers with Covid, your stance on Covid vaccine, your use of fascism, and your tendencies toward conspiracy theories, I suspect it runs quite a bit deeper than this. I don't know if you're a full-fledged believer in this all being a government and/or "1%" plot to control everyone, and/or the "Great Reset", but I expect elements of those beliefs ring true with you, and wouldn't be shocked if you were all-in on them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Original Position
0.1% fatality rate would actually mean 554M cases of COVID in the US, which would be impressive in a country of 330M. And to answer an earlier Luckbox Inc question, the US case fatality rate is lower than the global rate for confirmed cases, which is 2.2%.
LOL @ my math skills - I must've flipped population and fatalities for that one. Had it correct earlier when I suggested 85% case rate would mean a 0.2% fatality rate. Thanks for the catch.
04-03-2021 , 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Given your strange use of numbers with Covid, your stance on Covid vaccine, your use of fascism, and your tendencies toward conspiracy theories, I suspect it runs quite a bit deeper than this. I don't know if you're a full-fledged believer in this all being a government and/or "1%" plot to control everyone, and/or the "Great Reset", but I expect elements of those beliefs ring true with you, and wouldn't be shocked if you were all-in on them.
No I think the vaccine is just as safe as they say it is.
I just want no part of it.
Which is to say that if there is going to be a two-tiered society, then I'm picking my tier.
04-03-2021 , 06:45 PM
You think the vaccine is safe, but won't take it because...?
04-03-2021 , 06:47 PM
Can someone show the math on what percent of the USA population has died from COVID?
04-03-2021 , 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
You think the vaccine is safe, but won't take it because...?
Just what I said...because if there is going to be two-tiered society, I'll choose the tier that gets discriminated against.
04-03-2021 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
No I think the vaccine is just as safe as they say it is.
I just want no part of it.
Which is to say that if there is going to be a two-tiered society, then I'm picking my tier.
I bet the line is in there somewhere though. No more planes? No leaving the country? No renewing your internet? I can definitely imagine some things that would basically coerce just about everyone in.

      
m