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Originally Posted by Cuepee
The problem is that you have one faction invested in turning every issue around this pandemic into a culture war, which is not what we saw in the past where things like this would largely unite the country to a common cause.
So the 'anti' side logic literally goes like this (and you can see it play out in real time in the BFI thread):
- You should not be able to force me to wear a mask or distance. If you are worried about increased spread and risk and feel at threat stay home and protect yourself. Don't demand I protect you
- You should not be able to force me to take the vaccine. If you are worried about increased spread and risk or new waves due to variant proliferation and feel at threat stay home and protect yourself. Don't demand I protect you
- You should not be able to force me to show I was vaccinated with a passport. If you are worried about exposure to me, too bad. You don't deserve the knowledge that I might be a deadly threat to you. If you feel at threat stay home and protect yourself. Don't demand I protect you
This group in a worst case, could be responsible for no herd immunity being developed and the virus just proliferating and being something that takes it toll yearly at levels it otherwise would not, that we need to live with. And because they seem fine with bathing in virus and taking that risk they think all of society has to accommodate them or stay home and hide if they don't want that exposure.
Ironically they would also complain the loudest about future restrictions and lockdowns that they might be the main trigger of via their spread of variants.
That is probably a rosy-eyed view on past efforts to combat diseases on a large scale. They too have been fraught with disagreements, conflicts and conspiracy theories. Ultimately you just have to slug through it, and the best way to do that is with open information, being honest about what is going to happen and building trust.
This is the reasons that outside specialty cases / professions or travel to specific regions, you don't too often see mandatory vaccination programs or use of certificates. You want a large enough portion of the public to trust the process, using force can be detrimental to those efforts. Of course, as it becomes more and more critical, the equation can change. Short-term interventions of force might be necessary and justified. I don't think it is a good argument to say that "we intervened here with force, therefore we should intervene here with force". Every use of force should be discussed on its own merits.
Still, that is something that requires diligence. Making mistakes in such a process could eradicate the foundation of trust that the success of combating the disease is built upon. Needless to say the argument goes both ways. Arguments against such measures should also be based on open and qualified information, if they are to be taken seriously.
Personally I don't think "vaccine documentation" requirements is a good idea outside some special cases / professions. Like with most programs to fight disease, I think the efforts should go in the direction of achieving a society where we can trust diseases to be under decent control, and I don't think "checkpoints" is something that will achieve that.
Last edited by tame_deuces; 04-02-2021 at 10:10 AM.