So they got the hackers' private keys?
Pretty dumb hackers...

Dye pack LDO

So both parties think its easy for Biden to just shut down all these criminal enterprises?
Yet the USA can not even stop robo calling or any of its own criminal activities?

Seems baffling

2p2 politics actually believes muh Russian hackers psyop. Why is it only things liberal globalists hate are getting hacked, like gas and meat supplies. Why would Russians target a meat factory of all things? The gasoline I could understand, but the Russians really want Americans to stop consuming meat, wat?

I'm sure most of this agit-prop about Russia is aimed directly at boomers who have memories of the Cold War.

It's tiresome, and frankly the US has been so hostile to them we should expect a little payback every now and again.

Russia has invaded and occupied territory in 2 neighboring countries in two decades, is actively seeking to destabilize western democracies, is run by people who now openly advocate Russian Imperialism, because if they didn't, they would be likely put up against a wall by ultra-nationalists and executed, or even worse; they might not be allowed to steal more money. Also there is the minor hassle about it being impossible to tell where the Russian mafia ends and where the Russian intelligence services begin.

If there are people with fond memories of the Cold War, it seems to be the kleptocrats currently running Russia.

There is no particular reason to tread gently. I won't claim to be a cultural expert on the topic, but I'm fairly sure being overly diplomatic isn't the approach of choice when it comes to Russians. You lay it down as it is and stand up for yourself. The problem of the Russian government is for the Russian people to solve (a skill-set for which the Russian people seems to have a solid aptitude), and I think people in "the west" are fooling themselves if they think kid gloves aid that process.

Russia wants land buffers because NATO has expanded right to their border after the break up of the USSR. This was in violation of promises made to Gorbachev by George HW Bush. Similar promises which were made to Stalin at the end of WWII were broken by the Truman administration.

I don't blame the Russians one bit for wanting to get someone less hostile toward them in office in the US. If you think the Russians are the only foreign power trying to subvert US democracy you need your head examined. Where's the concern about influence from Israel or the Gulf oil states?

FFS the Clinton administration heavily intervened in Russia's first election to help Yeltsin win. This was not done in secret it was literally on the cover of Time magazine after Yeltsin's first victory. Do you think Yeltsin's election was of any benefit to the Russian people? Their society practically collapsed.

Where's your outrage about that subversion of democracy? Or is it okay when the US tries to install puppets?

stinkubus is that the only reason Russia wants land buffers?

No nefarious, expansionist,, globalist ambitions of their own now or in the past with Stalin and other Russian administrations?

I mean, I am all for pointing at US abuses, as they are very real, but i do not think you are framing the Russian side accurately, do you?

Russia isn't capable of projecting power on a global scale. The have just a single functional port city which is ice free year round. They can't even field a proper navy. Nuclear capability between the US and them is asymmetric and always has been. Their nuclear arsenal is only useful as a deterrent to US first strike. Since we have "missile defense" batteries right on their border (nothing preventing these from being used as first strike weapons) I'd say they have plenty of reason to be very, very worried about us.

Really the hostility toward Russia from the west goes all the way back to 1917 when Western powers made a half hearted attempt to invade and then sponsored forces which opposed the Bolsheviks in a civil war which broke out shortly after the revolution.

They now have the lived experience of over 100 consecutive years of western aggression aimed right at them. Promises made by the west which are directly germane to their security have repeatedly been broken. Germany (NATO member) has tried to destroy them twice in the 20th century and nearly succeeded in WWII. The Russians suffered something like 30-40 million casualties.

We've given them no reason to trust us and no reason to believe we won't attempt to destroy them at the first opportunity. I think I'm framing the issue fairly, but I get my info from history books and not CIA propaganda outlets.

Ok but do your history books say anything about Russia's ability, desire and willingness to project power on a relatively local scale on to neighbouring or nearby countries?

Again that answer was almost a non answer to what I asked as I said I was willing to discuss and almost certain concede many or most of the abuses you might highlight about the US.

My question again to you is ...

"...is that the only reason Russia wants land buffers?

No nefarious, expansionist,, globalist ambitions of their own now or in the past with Stalin and other Russian administrations?..."

I did answer your question. They are incapable now, and at any time in the foreseable future, of globally projecting military power.

I'd expect them to want to gain control (either military or diplomatic) over anyone who shares a border with them because if they don't the west will. NATO is right on their doorstep with nukes aimed right at their cities. What part of THAT don't you get?

Oh, they want a "land buffer". That makes it okay, then.

Other than that, Russian whataboutism does not interest me.
There was no NATO in WW2.

Also, the usual friendly reminder that CCCP entered WW2 on its own accord, invaded Poland together with Germany, invaded several other countries and did did deals with Germany on the division of those countries, and ended WW2 with an occupation of European countries that would last 45 years, which they also expanded upon by numerous other military invasions.

Specifically the part where you suggest they are incapable of waging war with Ukraine or others.

Flesh that out for me. As the strength of the 'other' is also important here.

Lol Russia is protecting themself while Americans has been at war since forever, Russia isn’t looking to expand like usa. Why would anyone trust the us government is beyond me. It’s okay if usa looks out for themself but when Russia is doing the same let’s f them up. Usa should fix their own problems before casting any rocks. Like usa has been top dog for too long without anyone challenging them. Times have change we got China rising n Russia rising. American gonna be #2 within 30 years

Russia has expanded their territory by invading neighbouring countries two times in two decades.

For half a century, stretching back into the days of the CCCP, their their go-to excuse has always been "what about the west / US" and portraying themselves as merely responding to an aggressor. A message their "free" press puts on repeat and their intelligence services and state-sponsored propaganda groups peddle to useful idiots in the west; It used to be communists, these days they like radicals, nationalists, conservatives, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. Groups with large echo-chambers and an information eco-system where anything from the ingroup is accepted blindly.

And usa invaded the Middle East so what ur point. Maybe if usa didn’t invade so many countries Russia wouldn’t have to defend it self and feel the need for a buffer zone

It is certainly interesting how "buffer" is the new buzzword of choice, complete with the usual selection of whataboutism. I'm sure it has nothing to do with large-scale Russian disinformation efforts leading up to the 2021 G7 summit, after being booted off G8 and not being invited to G7.

No, Russia doesn't need a "buffer zone". There were no, and there are no credible threats from their neighbours. There exists no possible scenario in this world where Georgia or Ukraine was going to invade Russia.

Same with Middle East yet America invaded them. If urkraine n Georgia join nato Russia is send them a message to not join or else invasion. I anti government in general but I like Putin the most

Sure, nothing says standing up to tyrannical government like granting Russia a free pass to ignore the sovereignty of their neighbours and preferring a state leader who criminalizes opposition.

Maybe he’s an American agent

I am not saying 'America good/innocent', and in fact I am saying quite the opposite.

You are literally saying here 'Russia good/innocent as they only act from self defense and have no desire or intention to expand their territory'. You are imparting noble intentions on them as any country only acting in self defense of their people is doing a noble act.

And then you act like it is others with blinders on and the BS position.

Sadly there are many people like you who seem to take one single position in life that is 'because the US has and continues to do bad stuff in the world that 'these' nations are noble/good/not to be criticized'.

That is a very silly way to look at the world.

I'll go out on a limb and say he is just a Russian thief.

I’m not giving Russia a pass but I’m saying fix ur own country before casting any stones

You are not only giving Russia a pass but you are also exhausting them.

You are stating they have zero aggressive ambitions and only act in self defense of their nation and people, which is a virtuous position claim.

I am not American, and i can say 'America bad' at times, 'Russia also bad' at times can you?

Bro I don’t believe Russia is prefect no country is but Russia is better than america