California is a total mess. The fact that you literally make many crimes as misdemeanors is a joke and no cash bail system is not working

Retail theft is what is driving many companies out of California. Sadly Dems do not believe in personal responsibility and believe in criminal rights over victim rights

This article tells how Tractor Supply dealt with it.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/comp...6d76973e&ei=36

It’s actually quite the opposite. Just look at the safest and cleanest countries in the world like the UAE, Qatar or even Singapore.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/ranking...isplayColumn=1

Even putting aside the fact that most of that is also vapid conservative talking points you did your usual trick of ignoring the point I was actually making and expounding on a different topic instead (at least this one was related). Does it not bother you in the slightest that you were taken in by an entirely false piece of propaganda about the bill? Or do you just not care about that nowadays and choose to blindly believe anything that backs up your preconceived notions?

The bill is stupid just is the fact you can steal $950 and get a misdemeanor at best .California's system has been a total failure

Do you even know anything about the bill beyond what has been said in this thread? I'm willing to bet you know essentially nothing about the actual substance of it beyond what I've said here given that you implied that it had something to do with charging people who confront shoplifters. You've been told that it's bad though so make sure to repeat that as much as you can.

As for the more general criticism of CA, it's a fun conservative talking point but the reality is that a decent majority of those who actually live there still support the Democrats despite the supposed "total failure" and it's still considered one of the most desirable places to live in the US (albeit also one of the least desirable by some, but that is largely due to the downsides created by it being so otherwise desirable, i.e. sky-high cost of living).

Yet it seems to have the highest amount of individuals leaving the state compared to other states . I guess all those mass robberies are right wing edited videos. All those pictures of stores locking all the products behind plex glass are fake as well. All the big retailers leaving San Francisco are all false as well.

Can't argue with that. It's clear you aren't informed. I can try to help:

Quote:

1. The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment.
2. Sending an individual convicted of a crime to prison isn’t a very effective way to deter crime.
3. Police deter crime by increasing the perception that criminals will be caught and punished.
4. Increasing the severity of punishment does little to deter crime.

...

Quote:

1.crimes involving conscious planning can be more easily deterred than those that relate to
addiction or sudden emotions;
2. increases to prison sentences that are already lengthy have little deterrent effect; and
3. policies that increase the likelihood of being caught deter crime more effectively than those
that increase punishment.

...

Quote:

“The severity of punishment, known as marginal deterrence, has no real deterrent effect, or the effect of reducing recidivism,” he says. “The only minor deterrent effect is the likelihood of apprehension. So if people think they’re more likely to be caught, that will certainly operate to some extent as a deterrent.”

All science says the same thing.

So, that's a "no" on knowing anything about the bill then?

The actual bill ? Nope I Trusted the post and what I saw on the media .Do you know if at one point it did contain what the poster is calling crazy ?

Actually I read the parts of the bill on Newsweek Online and it had a part in it that was removed that would forbid workers from stopping criminals . When it was removed is beyond me.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bi...te/ar-AA1gkuDb

I never posted the bill as well and will wait until the final bill is passed into law or does not pass

Wait, the media you have such an issue with?

Here's something that might help in the future. When you see a headline, tweet, or something else that summarizes a more complex issue in a way that makes it seem outrageous - if you don't want to end up looking silly, or spreading misinformation, look into it further before forming an opinion and posting about it.

My guess, especially given what you post next, would be no.

**** man, do you ever learn from your mistakes? Like, you've done the exact same ****ing thing about the exact same type of headline about the exact same bill. All you had to do was read the first sentence of the article:

Or the next sentence:

I bolded the important parts for you. It says nothing about a "part in it that was removed that would forbid workers from stopping criminals". You're just getting sucked in, again, by a misleading headline.

"It started with a madman down in Texas deciding he wanted to bus people up to NYC. We have to feed, cloth, house, educate the children, wash their laundry sheets, give them everything they need, health care... This issue will destroy New York City."

--The above is a quote from the Democratic mayor of NY City. Can one of you libs explain how this makes any sense at all. By all accounts big, blue cities have tremendously higher levels of wealth and resources than Texas border towns. AND in recent years they have done a tremendous amount of virtue signaling about how they would support any undocumented immigrants that come to their city, because they are so much morally superior. AND they are the ones arguing we should be facilitating the endless tide of immigrants crossing the border, and even fighting Texas legally mainly on moral grounds when Texas tries to stem the flow of immigrants.

And yet when a tiny fraction of the undocumented population from the border areas of Texas is bused to their cities they start screaming bloody murder and demand Biden basically build a wall around Texas to keep all the undocumented immigrants in.

Other than just acknowledging extreme hypocrisy and bad faith by Democratic leadership, is there any cogent rationale for how this is supposed to make sense?

Of course, if you read the Daily mail article, the mayor is referring to all 60,000 of the asylum immigrants overrunning the city support networks, not just the few Abbott bussed up there. And the failure of the feds and the state to provided promised aid in a timely fashion is the concern, not the state of Texas. But why not just make dishonest connections when they support your racist to theories, right Kelhus?


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Despite mayor Adams' cries for help from the state and federal government, the city has not received aid to cover the extra costs
Over 110,000 asylum seekers have arrived since the spring of 2022, with over currently 10,000 arriving every month, and about 1,000 every single day
There are now nearly 60,000 migrants in the city's care, with about 21,000 new migrant children starting school this year
New York City's migrant crisis will cost the city more than $4billion this fiscal year if the situation continues - as mayor Eric Adams warned the influx of asylum seekers could destroy the city.

Despite mayor Adams' cries for help from the state and federal government, the city has not received aid to cover the extra costs, so the $4.7billion would come from the city's budget. That amount is equal to the budgets for the city's sanitation, fire and parks departments combined.

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More than 110,000 asylum seekers have arrived in the city since the Spring of 2022, with over currently 10,000 arriving every month, and about 1,000 every single day.

There are now nearly 60,000 migrants in the city's care, with about 21,000 new migrant children starting school this year. As the school year kicked off on Thursday, some schools were forced to turn away students as the classrooms overflowed.

City officials have said they expect the number asylum seeker population to reach nearly 33,980 households this fiscal year.


New York City's migrant crisis is expected to cost the city $4.7billion this year. Above is a list of some of the landmarks that have been turned into emergency shelters as officials struggle to house nearly 60,000 migrants in the city's care
There are now nearly 60,000 migrants in the city's care, with about 21,000 new migrant children starting school this year. Ecuadorian migrant Kimberly Carchipulla, right, and her son 5-year-old Damien, center, wait for the bus on their way to school on Thursday, in New York

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The city is currently paying about $385 a night per migrant family that needs housing and feeding. According to Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, asylum seekers are costing the city roughly $10 million every day.

An exasperated Adams did not mince words on Wednesday as he said the city's survival hangs on outside help to deal with the crisis, renewing his appeal to the federal government to help the city avert a budgetary crisis as expenses mount — now projected at $12.2 billion by the end of next year.

‘It started with a madman down in Texas deciding he wanted to bus people up to New York City,' he said, referencing Texas governor Gregg Abbot's busing of migrants to the city.

Adams continued: '110,000 migrants we have to feed, clothe, house... we have to educate their children, wash their laundry sheets... give them everything they need.'

Indeed, many of the migrants have been bused in from southern states like Texas and Florida as the conservatives governors of these states look to put some of the migration pressure on progressive governments.

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They are not undocumented but do not have work permits, as they must wait months to receive them after applying for asylum.

Experts say this is one of the main issues, as the migrants can't work and become independent enough to find their own housing.

Adams warned that the city's services will be affected by the incredible additional expenses on the budget. He has previously stated the city is planning on cutting services such as library hours, meals for senior citizens, and free, full-day care for three-year-olds.


Migrants were seen sleeping outside The Roosevelt Hotel which has reached capacity since being turned into a designated center for asylum seekers

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While the migrants used to come mostly from Venezuela, which has the biggest refugee crisis in the world right now, tied only with Ukraine - more than seven million have left the nation as it has collapsed politically and economically.

From 2015 to 2018, only around 100 Venezuelans were stopped annually at the border. From October 2021 to August 2022, that number stood at 150,000.

However, experts and city officials now say most of the migrants come from Africa, particularly Senegal and Nigeria.

The city has a legal obligation to give shelter to those who make their way to the metro, and Adams has desperately turned to a variety of city landmarks, makeshift shelters and temporary housing as short-term solutions.

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The Roosevelt Hotel, Paul Hotel and Paramount Hotel are among the hotels designated for housing migrants in Manhattan.

Long lines of migrants, mostly men from Africa, are now often seen outside the storied locations.

Women and children are prioritized, and they have said they are mostly fed pasta and salad, without many appropriate options for young children, as reported by CBS News.


Families have been given priority for housing in the city's hotels, leaving tens of thousands to fight for space in shelters or wait on the streets for a solution

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Many of them never intended to come to New York in the first place, but staying is easy given the city has to offer them shelter by law.

'A lot of these people arrive here without even knowing where they are. Many of them wanted to go to Florida, even with DeSantis there. Others to Atlanta and California,' said Edinson Calderon, founder of the organization Una Carta Salva Una Vida, which works to help asylum seekers after they are released from migrant detention centers.

Calderon told DailyMail.com that migrants from other cities have also taken advantage of the situation, and have come into the city to not have to pay rent and use a shelter.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security recently dispatched a small team to New York City to help determine how the federal government should respond.

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New York officials have been sounding the alarm for months over their inability to right the ship, with Adams cautioning that his office estimates the issue will cost the city in the region of $12 billion in just three years.

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Yeah the man is complaining about it but will not blame the person in charge Joe Biden. How many buses did the madman send . The remain in Mexico policy should be returned

Surprise, surprise, Lozen can't read either:

He declared a state of emergency in the fall and has repeatedly labelled the deluge a 'humanitarian crisis'. The mayor's failed requests for more federal funding led him to condemn President Biden in April for 'failing' the city.

So according to you, the buses from Texas are only a small part of the issue, and despite this Adams bringing up Abbott specifically (and no one else) in this speech is perfectly ok. But I am the one being disingenuous?

So given the issue of buses from the poor Republican border towns to the wealthy, morally superior blue cities isn't really an issue, you dont support President Biden (or whoever the puppet master is) passing any laws to keep the immigrants in Texas. And you are perfectly ok with busing immigrants from poor border towns with little resources to resource rich (and morally superior) blue cities?

Who referred to it as a humanitarian crisis? That was in April not this week when he was trying to blame Abbott . Mayor asked for a meeting with the President but was blown off and only got a meeting with staff

As much as you may want to promote Bidens' success his failures include the border

He was Adams.

The news article is from Sept 7 and discussed the kids going back to school. In the USA that doesn't happen in April.

He was promised money that hasn't arrived.

And another unrelated, ridiculous whataboutism based on another lie that I want to promote Biden success.

Can a guy be more wrong than Lozen?

Have you not seen any of Dunyains posts, including the one right above Lozen

Do people believe that all states are equally equipped, while having different geographical borders, to received immigrants from the borders ?

Have you ever been to Texas, let alone one of these West Texas poor border towns you believe houses immigrants? Of course, we know you haven't from your post.

I am fine with federal legislation that stops states from ****ing with each other over immigrants, when the Feds provide the tax dollars to the states for these programs. Texas doesn't get to have its own immigration laws because it's a border state.

I've been to El Paso multiple times. Not sure how poor it is but I'd be happy to answer any questions about it.

I've watched all of the Breaking Bad episodes that refer to El Paso, and have seen Sicario, which is partly set in El Paso, multiple times, and have also seen that satellite picture purportedly showing how it's much greener on the Mexico side than the Texas side, and I will also be very happy to answer any questions people have on the place.

Kiki's, Lucy's or Rosa's?

Very nice Airport

I can't imagine having the ability to discern the "truth" about everything from the biased MSM and elite cabal controlling it all, yet not being able to comprehend that sending immigrants to the most costly, densely populated city could prove very expensive and overrun their support services.