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08-17-2023 , 12:24 PM

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Given that by $ most theft is wage theft, yes we're likely to see more theft in places where there are more jobs.

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08-17-2023 , 12:30 PM

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There’s plenty of crime and drug addiction in shithole rural Trumpy districts, it’s just the dollar value of raiding derelict homes for copper and related crimes is less than in major urban areas where the money is.

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08-17-2023 , 01:22 PM

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I think a majority of the crime is linked to gangs, homeless and the drug addicted which tend to live in the cities

I am always confused by people who think that drug addiction is mainly an urban problem. Where do the people who believe that actually live?

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08-17-2023 , 01:49 PM

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I am always confused by people who think that drug addiction is mainly an urban problem. Where do the people who believe that actually live?

In the suburbs obviously

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08-17-2023 , 02:42 PM

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I am always confused by people who think that drug addiction is mainly an urban problem. Where do the people who believe that actually live?

I think Oxy drove addiction to the rural communities and Fentanyl followed

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08-17-2023 , 02:48 PM

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I think Oxy drove addiction to the rural communities and Fentanyl followed

You're forgetting a little thing called meth.

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08-17-2023 , 03:22 PM

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I am mostly grunching this thread, but the correct answer is that elites have managed to make race such a salient issue that middle class/poor whites support conservative policies that mainly work against their economic interests, because elites have been able to frame reforms as attempts to transfer wealth to minorities at their expense.

In his day, Dr. King wrote entire books on the subject about a desire to awaken class (as opposed to race) consciousness among poor whites, which would serve the poor of all races. As recent as the Obama administration the moderate wings of the Democrat party were trying to get poor whites on board with reforms designed to lift everyone.

Sadly, the Democratic Party of today is pretty much the mirror image of the Republican Party (less outright fraud and scams, but the end result is more or less the same), in making everything about race, and using this framing to enrich the respective elites at expense of the poor. For their efforts, they have convinced the urban poor to support pro-crime policies, which have devastated the communities they live in; as much as Republican policies have historically negatively affected the rural poor whites who are their most loyal voting base.

It isn't a bug that the more the Democratic Party embraces 21st century race based progressivism, the more wealth is transferred to the top 1%. It is a feature.

This is pure fantasy stuff. No wonder your posts make no sense.

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08-17-2023 , 03:43 PM

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Grunching: tribalism.

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08-20-2023 , 08:22 AM

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Does anyone have data about how the opioid crisis tracks with left / right states?

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08-20-2023 , 09:04 AM

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Does anyone have data about how the opioid crisis tracks with left / right states?

No data but intuitively fentanyl is going to be more of a rural thing and heroin more urban

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s..._poisoning.htm

This is just looking at all drug ODs not specifically opioids, and while you do see some northeastern blue states at the top of the list, the majority are still red states.

I'm somewhat surprised that Oklahoma isn't a top state given that they were long considered the meth capital of the US, and that some southern states are not shaded in blue also surprising. Also the great plains states seem to be doing well.

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08-20-2023 , 11:07 AM

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You're forgetting a little thing called meth.

Yes. meth leads to fent, opiods lead to fent, everyting leads to fent.

Pretty much everything leads to fent. All painkillers, all meth, all zanax prosacs, oxis, valiums, u name it.
they even sell opiods at gas stations now, slightly changed the structure so it is in a legal loophole.

trust me people

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08-20-2023 , 11:18 AM

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I tell you why they support it, because liberal policies destroy them, , destroyed their business, made them leave.

look at venice, where business owners just left, becuase they didnt do anything about the homeless camping in front of their stores. they came in their stores every day and robbed them. If they get cought by police, they are free on the same day with a ticket. zero consequences, homelss cant and wont pay tickets. they dont give a f. all they care about is fent. (very many)
no customers came becuase its too dangerous. who wants to go to a store and see this? not to mention the dangers.

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08-20-2023 , 12:39 PM

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I tend to doubt this. Methamphetamine and opioids are pretty different and someone hooked on one I don't think is going to be too apt to switch to the other. Obviously there is going to be large overlap between those communities and a meth user will have the means to acquire opioids pretty easily, but I doubt they'll want to.

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08-20-2023 , 12:52 PM

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I've heard it from first hand drugs addicts. they don't care what ****s them up as long as it f them up. you gotta listen to some people on the streets.

pulled up this article for you real quick about speedboats

https://www.affecttherapeutics.com/f...-need-to-know/

oh they can switch, if it has enough pull it does the trick. probably not always.

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08-20-2023 , 12:55 PM

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I know plenty of drug addicts too. Speed freaks stay speed freaks and the opiod users stay opiod users. Perhaps our drug users are spoiled by a bit too many options in the US, it's not the nature of addiction to just be able to change your substance of choice.

I'm completely dependent on coffee and I'm sure as **** not smoking weed as a replacement in the morning.

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08-20-2023 , 12:56 PM

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at this point it's not really about what the users want. it's about what the cartels want. and they want them to be hooked on Fent. that's why it's all laced with it.

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08-20-2023 , 12:58 PM

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yes that is true. but
then why do both end up ODing with Fent?

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08-20-2023 , 01:00 PM

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meth addicts never really od and die instantly. it's possible, but rare. the Nazis were all hooked on it. but they didn't die instantly. it was sold as chocolates to kids in shops everywhere. pure meth.

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08-20-2023 , 01:01 PM

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yeah because you have a choice, they do not.

Fent is able to overwrite every addiction even it is sounds weird that's what people say. They might still be hooked on meth but now Fent craving is higher imo.

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08-20-2023 , 01:08 PM

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at this point it's not really about what the users want. it's about what the cartels want. and they want them to be hooked on Fent. that's why it's all laced with it.

I've never heard 'big pharma' being described as one of the cartels, but I guess it makes sense to think of them in the same way

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08-20-2023 , 01:13 PM

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yeah the pharmas had their part in it a lot that it got to this point.

The true killer is Fent. that is the problem. meth doesn't really kill instantly. it is highly dangerous and you could od somehow and die but it's very rare. you die slowly so to say and get hooked yea, but you are not likely to drop dead on the spot. it's not in the same league as Fent. the people dropping left and right are due to Fent and opiods, mostly fent now.

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08-20-2023 , 01:20 PM

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lucky, look out for stories like

"yeah I was hooked on meth, but then it was fent" I heard those a lot.

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08-20-2023 , 02:05 PM

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I've never heard 'big pharma' being described as one of the cartels, but I guess it makes sense to think of them in the same way

I meant the mexican cartels not the pharma cartels. lol

The Mexicans are making their money with Fent now and human trafficking. probably 50\50

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08-20-2023 , 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by washoe

The Mexicans are making their money with Fent now and human trafficking. probably 50\50

I suspect that you do not know wtf you're talking about.

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08-20-2023 , 02:09 PM

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I suspect that you do not know wtf you're talking about.

Uhh... Chief BigDick checking in..
please correct me. what's are the Mexican cartels main businesses?

I'm all ears...

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