I'm not trying to be contrary and apologies if I came across that way, my point was that people can have other reasons apart from disinformation and even if engaging in such things can be for more grounded reasons and this would apply to UFOS. Gunderson later became associated with the far right and anti Federal Government groups so I personally suspect he was a bit of a kook, or if I were to entertain he was engaging in disinfo, it would either be to make money from it or again as a means to gain info on potential domestic threats to America and again I'd find this latter possibility a stretch.

IIRC re McMartin, he was a spokesman for some of the parents of the alleged victims.

But again, back on topic, I don't see either a disinformation campaign or a marked increase in MSM UFO/UAP coverage.

How about if you just try to answer the question instead of dodging it? Tell us what you think is going on with the alien stuff.

You saying that does not make it true. I get that you want to believe it, but you since you lie all the time - well, there you go.

I went to bat for the reality that this UFO stuff is just fluff and anything behind it is utterly mundane. You are the one that differs with you "open mind" drivel. I appreciate you using one of your "D" routines of deflecting away from this in the way you try with saying you are not an anti-vaxxer because you took a forced vaccine once.

Easy line. You lie all the time. I point it out and watch you do your "D" dances. Then I encourage you to spend more time on nonsense topics like UFOs, so keep at it!

In that note, I agree with the above question - tell us what you think is going on with the alien stuff. No need to be afraid. Thanks!

All the best.

No we're not and yes there has. It was a big topic in the late 40s and all through the 50s with many military officers commenting on it. Presidents such as Carter & Reagan had a keen interest in the topic. We're certainly not in unprecedented times in this regard.

I’m old enough to remember some hullabaloo about Kucinich being interested in aliens. And there was something about Hillary wanting to disclose a bunch of alien stuff.

Do you even care what I think? I've already said that I don't know. Do you not believe me and you think I do actually have thoughts I'm not sharing?

Podesta is one of the people who has pushed this, so HRC having some words as well isn't surprising.

I just want to hear you flesh out your ideas a bit, you don’t have to get all huffy.

I'm still standing by my original statement. Hardly any of us were alive in the 40s or 50s.
Reagan is most known irt UFOs for his UN speech where he talks about the Independence day scenario, Carter idk-- but I don't think any of this is consequential.
Here is the google ngram for UFOs

It wasn't a thing at all until the late 40s. The alleged Roswell incident was in 1947. But isolated statements from isolated politicians from the past don't reflect the attention that the ruling class is giving this topic today, and it isn't my claim that it was something that never discussed in the past or some purely taboo subject.

I started looking into this topic in earnest two days ago and I'll likely abandon it soon as it'll reach a dead end and we'll all go back to waiting to see if anything happens, if the government continues this "disclosure" or not, and what that amounts to.
I do have some ideas but they are in enough different directions that just splattering them all at once wouldn't serve any sort of function for me. In general, whenever there is a "big lie"-- then the motivations behind it are multifaceted. But you'll have to give me some time to gather my thoughts a little if you want something more from me here.

So what if hardly any of us were alive in the 40s/50s, it was still a very popular topic both in the media and pop culture with a slew of scifi movies in the 50s on the topic. In the 70s it was Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kid. The band The Foo Fighters took their name for the nickname given to UFOS by WWII pilots.

They've been a part of popular culture and in the media for well over a century.

I'm not denying that it's been a part of popular culture. I'm denying that what we see today represents business as usual.

Yet you can't give a specific reason for your suspicions- as I said you seem to believe this by rote rather than anything concrete to base your suspicion on.

OK, I will wait patiently for more intel.

That what we're seeing today is not "business as usual" has plenty of concrete backing it up. Perhaps there isn't a way to measure it quantitatively, but there is plenty to suggest that UFOs are being mainstreamed by the ruling class.
What you're looking though from me is some specific evidence that suggests it's propaganda. And it's true that I haven't offered all that much on this front. We learned about Leslie Kean and her illustrious family yesterday, we've talked about Elizondo and the issues with him, and that's been mostly it there. But I can do some research in this area. And you probably know more about the lies and grifters when it comes to this than I do. The question is how/if those people tie into what government/government officials are saying.

I think Kean is kind of a wingnut but simply being from an old political family doesn't automatically mean anything. All families have their black sheep etc--old conservative families too. She's been around the ufo scene for a while now afaik.

I would just like to point out that that UFO graph is nothing compared to the equivalent one when searching Lizard People, so I would ask that Lucky start wondering why there is that big an increase lately and speculate on the sinister media push reasons behind it. When he looks at the Lizard People graph it should scream to him that he should be denying that what we see today represents business as usual with regard to Lizard People. The question of course is why... Thanks in advance.

Ruling class using crt to divide, ufo info to distract and vaccines to conquer

She definitely won't be the crux of any argument that I make about UFOs/propaganda. But it's definitely one of those curious things where that New Yorker piece comes out that talks about her and Stephen Greer, and I'm like "ok Greer is a propagandist but who is that Kean person?", then come to find out that her family runs New Jersey and her uncle covered up 9/11.

Did you look up the Lizard People graph yet? No doubt a bunch of other topics will have graphs with recent growth, so what do you think is behind all of this, since it has to be something sinister in some regard or something. Why are you going whole hog on UFOs but ignoring the poor Lizard People who have an even steeper graph on that chart thing you posted? Thanks!

All the best.

I'm not seeing a whole lot on CNN about lizard people.

It could just be a case of--if you're a person who feels they deserve some attention/want to be prominent in -some- field like what are realistic options? Save the Animals/Environment or something along those lines? UFOs is kind of a ripe area to splash around. Just watch some interviews she seems kinda impressed with herself and the important work she's doing

Pentagon watchdog opens new probe into military's handling of UFOs; The probe comes as Congress awaits a public report, due next month, from a host of national security agencies on the issue.

Politico article from today

The Pentagon's inspector general is looking into the actions the military has taken to address the spate of UFO sightings in recent years involving high performance aircraft that have violated military airspace.

The probe comes as Congress awaits a public report, due next month, from a host of national security agencies on the issue, and as advocates complain that some departments and agencies are not fully cooperating by sharing data.[...]

"You are looking at how is it possible that restricted military airspace is being routinely violated for months and years and nobody is informed in the Defense Department or the Congress and there is a complete system breakdown," said Christopher Mellon, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence. "That's a valid thing for them to investigate."

Use their search function. UFOs shows 1 article (likely one you mentioned over and over for your agenda) and Lizard People had similarly one article where they talk about Lizard People

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/uk/co...gbr/index.html


"The group's Facebook page has posted videos featuring anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists such as David Icke, who popularized the false idea that a shape-shifting lizard-like species exerts control over human society by garnering political power to manipulate the world. Considered one of the most notorious conspiracists in the UK, Icke now claims the pandemic was entirely planned. "We really do stand at the cusp between any kind type of freedom and a fascism that would make even the Nazis wince because of its technological nature," he said in Save Our Rights UK's video interview with him, which clocked nearly a quarter of a million "

Ooh, Lizard People are so big in the UK it has the notorious tag - and this is in a CNN article, which is your measure of relevance for the moment!

There you go, as I see it Lizard People have the bigger graph than you posted for UFOs for that site you mentioned, and each have an article about them on CNN with Lizard People getting tagged notorious.

Seems Lizard People > UFOs, so time for you to start wondering what the reasons are for this increase in interest of Lizard People. Thanks!

All the best.

Dvaut talked a lot about lizard people.

I think you should start a lizard people thread. (To Monte). I promise to post in it if you do.