Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Politics and Society Contentions, Controversies, and Conflicts

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-03-2021, 10:51 PM   #151
formula72
veteran
 
formula72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,349
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBurg View Post
Realization and acceptance of the wonderfulness of eternity doesn't, I suppose, negate the more personally complex experiences one might encounter once one begins to see the possibilities are endless.
I believe when one begins to encounter the complex experiences of the endless possibilities, the acceptance of wonderfulness would diminish.
formula72 is offline  
Old 05-03-2021, 11:00 PM   #152
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old 05-03-2021, 11:54 PM   #153
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

So in this New Yorker article: How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously, they two discuss two UFO researchers, a guy named Stephen Greer who I've known to be a disinfo guy for a while, and another UFO researcher I had not heard of before, Leslie Kean-- and it turns out that her uncle is none other than Thomas Kean, the former governor of New Jersey and head of 9/11 commission.
In one of her books on UFOs, John Podesta wrote the forward. She also has other congressmen and a Senator in her family like Hamilton Fish Kean, who was a New Jersey senator.
Because that's how it is with UFO researchers. But yeah when your uncle chairs the 9/11 commission I'm probably not going to be too inclined to believe much of what this person has to say. Her dad was congressman Robert Kean
Robert Winthrop Kean (September 28, 1893 – September 21, 1980) was an American Republican Party politician and member of one of the nation's oldest and longest serving political families.[1] He served ten terms in the United States House of Representatives representing New Jersey.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; Yesterday at 12:01 AM.
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 12:45 AM   #154
Bobo Fett
2+2 Ad Man
 
Bobo Fett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Canada, eh!
Posts: 51,621
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
But yeah when your uncle chairs the 9/11 commission I'm probably not going to be too inclined to believe much of what this person has to say.
LO****ingL.

So is this the kind of top-notch analysis you had in mind when you said this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
But I also don't think you should really consider yourself a person who knows how to look at media either.
Yeah, the best way to analyze articles is to dismiss authors based on whether their uncle headed a commission whose findings you don't agree with.
Bobo Fett is offline  
Old Yesterday, 12:54 AM   #155
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett View Post
LO****ingL.



So is this the kind of top-notch analysis you had in mind when you said this?





Yeah, the best way to analyze articles is to dismiss authors based on whether their uncle headed a commission whose findings you don't agree with.
She actually comes from a long line of politicos. And- obviously the 9/11 commission report is a complete pile of horsecrap and I would definitely not be inclined to give a UFO researcher the benefit of the doubt under generous circumstances. But when you're being featured in The New Yorker, have John Podesta writing forwards to your books, and your family runs New Jersey, it probably makes you full of ****.
Like I really don't need to actually read anything Leslie Kean has written.
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 01:57 AM   #156
Bobo Fett
2+2 Ad Man
 
Bobo Fett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Canada, eh!
Posts: 51,621
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Like I really don't need to actually read anything Leslie Kean has written.
Well, OK then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett View Post
top-notch analysis
Indeed.
Bobo Fett is offline  
Old Yesterday, 03:03 AM   #157
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett View Post
Well, OK then.





Indeed.
What is your take on all this UFO stuff? Should we be open minded to the idea that they really want us to know about them?
But yeah this Leslie Kean could just as easily be a Bush family member. The families are basically equivalent.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; Yesterday at 03:09 AM.
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 05:22 AM   #158
Bobo Fett
2+2 Ad Man
 
Bobo Fett's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Canada, eh!
Posts: 51,621
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

I was going to start answering, and then realized I'm not entirely clear on who/what you mean by they/them.
Bobo Fett is offline  
Old Yesterday, 06:20 AM   #159
corpus vile
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,885
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Gunderson isn't necessarily the best example for me since I've sort of come to the conclusion that he is not a true believer and was disinfo.
Why would he engage in such disinfo re Satanic networks? To hopefully attract potential Timothy McVeighs while on the lecture circuit, to pass on to the FBI? Cuz that's about the only reason I could think of and that's actually a serious stretch if I'm being honest. If Gunderson was engaging in disinfo, he did a pretty ham fisted job of it with his claims that footage from some crappy b flick was an actual Satanic sacrifice, no? I think he just had kooky beliefs, like many others, such as Eshed if we're to take him at face value.

Gunderson was also a grifter who shilled for the likes of triple murderer Jeffrey Macdonald, blaming it all on Manson style hippies, which is no different than the aforementioned John Douglas & Jim Clemente shilling for Amanda Knox & the WM3.

So what motive would Gunderson have for "disinformation" other than grifting and giving a PR makeover to very probably guilty defendants, when getting a consultant/investigator gig by defence teams?

No offence but when I asked you before re "disinformation" re UFOS & media coverage, your answer was somewhat vague.

I get the impression you're distrustful of governments so assume disinformation by rote, even if you don't know why they'd engage in such things, it seems. again no offence.
corpus vile is offline  
Old Yesterday, 06:26 AM   #160
corpus vile
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,885
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuepee View Post
Ya to be clear I am not suggesting earth was seeded purposely. It could be a meteor with the seeds of life.

But I do believe mankind will have those debates in the coming hundred years. DO we send satellites to distance planets with the seeds of life here and take a chance at re-seeding our planets life somewhere out there? It does not have to be accompanies with a plan for success. Again just a handful of the types of life we have here that is enormously hardy and let it go and see what happens.
They probably will and no doubt ethical concerns on whether they should will be raised. It could possibly be the only way to survive, ultimately in essence.

Lol, after our convo, this was recently upped on youtube re targeted or deliberate panspermia so I thought I'd link it
corpus vile is offline  
Old Yesterday, 06:31 AM   #161
corpus vile
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,885
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by campfirewest View Post
That’s true until they kidnap you and start shoving things in your butt.

corpus vile is offline  
Old Yesterday, 08:00 AM   #162
nucleardonkey
grinder
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Dropping bombs
Posts: 692
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

It's a psyop designed to out the morons.
nucleardonkey is offline  
Old Yesterday, 08:01 AM   #163
Monteroy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,265
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

I do have to say that it is very considerate of these extremely advanced aliens to allow the secret of their existence to remain a secret. They also made no effort to get back any of the things that got left behind which is also very nice of them. Imagine if one alien that came was the equivalent of a drunk teenager that just showed up and flew his saucer all over the big cities then landed and posed for pictures. Might have happened if they were not always obsessed with cows in Kansas!

Convenient as well that thousands or more people who know about all of this never reveal it in a way that would be actual proof of anything.

What they did not count on were those with gifted insights like Lucky getting on the job, so hopefully after thousands of hours of research into this on his part we will all finally know the dark truths behind this very important story.

Last edited by Monteroy; Yesterday at 08:07 AM. Reason: In the end it is all about Lizard People
Monteroy is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:15 AM   #164
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
I do have to say that it is very considerate of these extremely advanced aliens to allow the secret of their existence to remain a secret. They also made no effort to get back any of the things that got left behind which is also very nice of them. Imagine if one alien that came was the equivalent of a drunk teenager that just showed up and flew his saucer all over the big cities then landed and posed for pictures. Might have happened if they were not always obsessed with cows in Kansas!

Convenient as well that thousands or more people who know about all of this never reveal it in a way that would be actual proof of anything.

What they did not count on were those with gifted insights like Lucky getting on the job, so hopefully after thousands of hours of research into this on his part we will all finally know the dark truths behind this very important story.
Given everything in the news about this, I'm sort of curious about why you don't believe any of it? Not that I expect a straight answer from you, but you're aware that we're almost on the same side of this one?
So what do you think is happening? Are all these former government officials just grifters?
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:20 AM   #165
wet work
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
wet work's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,317
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
Imagine if one alien that came was the equivalent of a drunk teenager that just showed up and flew his saucer all over the big cities then landed and posed for pictures. Might have happened if they were not always obsessed with cows in Kansas!
What if our planet was seeded by aliens. Only we were like a middle school science project/or some discount game for some spoiled little a-hole alien. Half the time he forgets about us--and then occasionally looks back in and starts some wars/natural disasters etc. Instead of letting us know the truth he just has us on the max troll setting for ufos
wet work is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:21 AM   #166
Trolly McTrollson
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Trolly McTrollson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Winesburg, Ohio
Posts: 30,955
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Given everything in the news about this, I'm sort of curious about why you don't believe any of it? Not that I expect a straight answer from you, but you're aware that we're almost on the same side of this one?
So what do you think is happening? Are all these former government officials just grifters?
What do *you* think is happening? Why are the Lizard People who control government and the media pushing occasional puff pieces about UFOs?
Trolly McTrollson is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:34 AM   #167
Cuepee
Pooh-Bah
 
Cuepee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,875
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Given everything in the news about this, I'm sort of curious about why you don't believe any of it? Not that I expect a straight answer from you, but you're aware that we're almost on the same side of this one?
So what do you think is happening? Are all these former government officials just grifters?
I asked you this prior, which you skipped over.

I am curious what you think it happening now that cannot simply be explained by this...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuepee View Post
can't that be explained by a simple change in policy?

- Policy 1 - we do not comment on, nor release any footage that we cannot confirm or explain and that might feed speculation

- Policy 1A Revised - we will release all information as we have it making it known it is simply 'unknown' because keeping it buttoned up was leading to leaks and people then creating CT's assuming this was more important than it was

As to the media reporting on the Releases, I would say 'well d'uh' of course with every release some elements of media will seize on it to report as it is sensational stuff.
Cuepee is online now  
Old Yesterday, 10:37 AM   #168
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
Why would he engage in such disinfo re Satanic networks? To hopefully attract potential Timothy McVeighs while on the lecture circuit, to pass on to the FBI? Cuz that's about the only reason I could think of and that's actually a serious stretch if I'm being honest. If Gunderson was engaging in disinfo, he did a pretty ham fisted job of it with his claims that footage from some crappy b flick was an actual Satanic sacrifice, no? I think he just had kooky beliefs, like many others, such as Eshed if we're to take him at face value.

Gunderson was also a grifter who shilled for the likes of triple murderer Jeffrey Macdonald, blaming it all on Manson style hippies, which is no different than the aforementioned John Douglas & Jim Clemente shilling for Amanda Knox & the WM3.

So what motive would Gunderson have for "disinformation" other than grifting and giving a PR makeover to very probably guilty defendants, when getting a consultant/investigator gig by defence teams?

No offence but when I asked you before re "disinformation" re UFOS & media coverage, your answer was somewhat vague.

I get the impression you're distrustful of governments so assume disinformation by rote, even if you don't know why they'd engage in such things, it seems. again no offence.
You're right that I can go to disinfo without fully understanding the full extent of what the disinfo is all about. I did this with qanon, and Gunderson and qanon fit together nicely, as the Satanic sacrifice stuff is featured in both of those.
But I think you're a lot better versed in Gunderson than I am and it was a mistake for me to use language as strong as I did on him. I don't actually know there, but given how high ranking he was within the FBI, and some of the high profile cases that he worked on, along with stuff that I've now forgotten about the McMartin case and his involvement in it, him being something other than he represented seems reasonable. But I really don't know on him and would need to do more research there.
But you were using Gunderson as an example of someone you claimed was a true believer and now you're saying that he had some grift in him-- so there is a bit of a contradiction there.
As far as Eshed goes-- the guy ran the Israeli space program for 30 years. And when we look at people such as him or Gunderson-- people who were very high up in government-- they should not be treated the same as random people off the street. Your crazy next door neighbor might think Satantic pedophile aliens exists, but when that's coming from a guy who ran FBI field offices and interviewed for the director position, or when it comes from the guy who ran the Israeli space program, then it's a whole other story.
This people can't just be dismissed as nutters because they would be in a position to know. The "nutter" option has to be weighted a lot less than options where they're telling the truth or deliberately lying, and this is why I can go to calling them disinfo. If I don't believe they are crazy and I don't believe they are telling the truth, then disinformation is one of the view options remaining (besides grifting).
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:41 AM   #169
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuepee View Post
I asked you this prior, which you skipped over.



I am curious what you think it happening now that cannot simply be explained by this...
What's happening now is that the ruling class is telling us it's all real.
Sorry, missed your post earlier.
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:42 AM   #170
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson View Post
What do *you* think is happening? Why are the Lizard People who control government and the media pushing occasional puff pieces about UFOs?
Why do you think these are puff pieces? They are not.
Like Macro Rubio going on Fox and saying that UFOs are a national security threat and that they are real is not puff.
Agree or disagree?
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:44 AM   #171
Bladesman87
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,712
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

My thing is that according to the conspiracy theorists the government has been priming us for the big reveal for decades now, and like any good conspiracy theory this time is definitely going to be for real.

Project Bluebook started in the late 40's or early 50's (I'm forgetting my ET lore here), and ran till the end of the 60's. So we've been getting these leaks of info for decades now and yet not one real sign that anyone has officially concluded "aliens" anywhere.

We know the government did all sorts of whacky yet disgraceful things like MK Ultra into mind control. Or Project StarGate to investigate psychic powers.

The government is always on the cusp of the big reveal with this stuff and it never comes to establishing that aliens or psychic phenomena or Manchurian candidates are real. It's always the same big tease for no pay-off.

A far more plausible explanation for why stuff comes out now is that when intelligence agencies or the military do anything they have a tendency to stick it in a sealed box somewhere with the plan of making a decision about it in ten or twenty years time when either it'll be obvious to keep quiet or long enough ago that it can be released without mattering. In the UK we have the famous "thirty year rule", which is exactly what it sounds like, for documents of a certain type.

That could be wrong, this time could be the time where we finally learn something other than "now and then there's stuff in the sky and we can't be sure what it was", but I'm putting my money on "this stuff is now so old or clearly mundane that it doesn't need classifying any more".
Bladesman87 is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:48 AM   #172
Monteroy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,265
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Given everything in the news about this, I'm sort of curious about why you don't believe any of it?
I said this many times, but I see you keep doing your deflect/distract/don't we agree (call that the 3Ds) schtick you use all the time.

I do not believe your interpretation of any of this stuff ever, because you instill it with your obsessive paranoid version of the way you need to see the world.

Thus, I see stories (and some opinion pieces you called mainstream news) that likely has an extremely mundane reasoning behind it (which many posters have already detailed), while you require nefarious forces at work in a conspiracy, because that is how you always approach things.

I believe there is nothing of interest behind these stories, even if they are generally true as presented. You create a fantasy world to fit your paranoid beliefs from the very same bits of information.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
Not that I expect a straight answer from you
That is a blunt answer. I do not believe ever how you misrepresent and interpret stories to fit your paranoid agendas. In this case it is an utter fluff piece about UFOs, so hey go nuts with it and spend 50 of your 100 hours a week you spend on this junk on UFOs. That means you spend less time on other topics where your views are pretty horrid, like vaccines, false flag events etc. UFOs - who cares if you believe in aliens or not (polite ones who never reveal themselves).

Your thought process and how you present your ideas is always bad and something I never agree with or believe. That straight enough for you or you need me to explain it again? I can if required.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
but you're aware that we're almost on the same side of this one?
No - that is you doing the "see, we are greeing" routine you do over and over again when there is no such agreement.

Your interpretation of the cherry picked pieces of information is complete lie, but since it is about UFOs - it is a meaningless, harmless lie, and again I encourage you to spend a ton of time on this topic.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc View Post
So what do you think is happening? Are all these former government officials just grifters?
Some may be grifters (good time to be one with all the Trumpderps out there). Some are nutjobs. Some may believe in whatever they want to believe. Humans gonna human, but if you want me to believe that aliens have been visiting us for this long, yet remain a secret, and allow themselves to remain a secret, all while thousands of people know about them, including some that would clearly show real data if they had it - well, I aint joining you on that journey just yet.

Hope this better explained things to you, now get back to work scanning the night sky for UFOs. They tend to land in isolated farms for some reason so go there, or feel free to write people like Rubio and get their take on this since you keep citing him as an important source.

By the way, I am genuinely happy that UFOs are a topic where you , for whatever reason, cannot control your conspiracyderp side even though you know how inane your position is in terms of your brand. I gave you a pass on that whole LOLMandela effect because you did answer my direct question in a direct manner at that time (which you rarely do), but have to give you a big LOL for this UFO nonsense. Keep it up!

All the best.
Monteroy is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:49 AM   #173
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladesman87 View Post
That could be wrong, this time could be the time where we finally learn something other than "now and then there's stuff in the sky and we can't be sure what it was", but I'm putting my money on "this stuff is now so old or clearly mundane that it doesn't need classifying any more".
I think your post is fine but you're ignoring relevant details about this story-- like what they are actually saying.
Is Marco Rubio going to go on Fox and make a stink out of this and literally say there are things flying above nat sec areas that we don't know what they are and then the story just goes away? Probably not.
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:50 AM   #174
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
Hope this better explained things to you, now get back to work scanning the night sky for UFOs. They tend to land in isolated farms for some reason so go there.



All the best.
Wait-- I thought I was supposed to be the liar and not you?
Luckbox Inc is offline  
Old Yesterday, 10:56 AM   #175
Luckbox Inc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Luckbox Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 50,173
Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
Some may be grifters (good time to be one with all the Trumpderps out there). Some are nutjobs. Some may believe in whatever they want to believe. Humans gonna human, but if you want me to believe that aliens have been visiting us for this long, yet remain a secret, and allow themselves to remain a secret, all while thousands of people know about them, including some that would clearly show real data if they had it - well, I aint joining you on that journey just yet.
So honestly, have you actually read my posts? Like you're aware that's not my position right?
Luckbox Inc is offline  

Closed Thread
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive