to me it seems that luckbox raises some interesting questions about media coverage. then primarily trolly and monterey insist that nothing is interesting about it, its all just a nothingburger, its all just fluff, its the same as its always been, its not propaganda, there is no propaganda in our free press, stop thinking about it (edit: "it" meaning the media coverage)

I mean it wasn't really the greatest accomplished and it's not like it was too difficult to be correct in this thread, but I appreciate that.

It's probably incorrect for it to be framed as the media doing it when the news coverage of late has been driven entirely by government releases and former high ranking officials. Which I don't mean to suggest that there isn't a relationship or that media is only just dutifully reporting stories from official sources, but there's definitely a lot more to this than "just the media". It's coming from government ultimately. If it were just the case that it was media pushing dubious UFO sightings then it would be different of course.
Although with Trolly and Monteroy-- their concern is mostly about maintaining their perceived moral superiority-- which for some reason for them involves poopooing literally anything I have to say-- even if what they're poo-pooing is me doubting that aliens are visiting us.
But it works both ways-- I attack government and media, and they attack me as a result. The day I swallow an official story hook line and sinker will be the day Trolly and Monteroy praise me. Hopefully that never happens.

Note this is not a topic involving moral superiority. You lie all the time and others will debunk you. Stop lying if you do not like that process at work. Do not worry about any future praise, as that is pretty unlikely given your need to lie all the time, although I will say you do lie somewhat well at times - so take that as some praise if you prefer.

Also, it is not about buying the "official story." It is about dismissing the Luckbox interpretation, because that is always a conspiracyderp style lie.


Good for you setting the bar low for your goals before only you congratulate yourself on accomplishing those goals according to only you. Let's see how you build on that rewarding experience with your further research on this topic. Always a chance you can be entertaining in the process, especially will silly topics like UFOs. Not so likely with real topics where your opinions are just bad.

All the best.

Nah. Trolly doesn't make this post unless it's about moral superiority for him.

I do not pay much attention to his posts. They are generally fluff. You do lie all the time though, so I like to point it out, because lying conspiracyderps should always be shown for what they are as humans.

Again, to your credit, you know how to manage your image more than the normal conspiracyderps, and you have a ton more practice using the methods you use at deflecting/distracting/assuming - so you have it as a near art form. You also are not an utter dummy, but in the end you still do lie and misrepresent all the time, which is likely why only you give yourself credit for proving a point you think you made.

Anyway, you have additional important UFO research to do so get to it. Thanks!

All the best.

Trolly says I lie all the time too but then when I ask for evidence that never materializes. I can't ever recall you actually saying "this is a lie" to any of my posts. I mean sometimes I do speak hyperbolically-- of which "you lie all the time" would be an example there, as surely you don't think I'm actually constantly lying. But a little hyperbole is not the same as lying either. Regardless, if you had some examples if you could post them in the poo flinger thread and give me an opportunity to clear my name or defend myself then I would appreciate it.

He’s learned to be extremely evasive about what his actual views are for obvious reasons.

Your whole approach of "never buy the real story, instead listen to my conspiracyderp tale" is essentially you lying. The fact you believe in the stuff you vomit out does not make it true. Every post of yours has an agenda based on your paranoid beliefs of the world. You cherry pick information and manipulate it to suit your needs. You constantly suggest others agree with you when usually that is not the case. All of these are versions of lying, and you do them all and more. You happen to do it in a relatively polished manner, because you have decades of doing this type of lying, so it is all muscle memory for you at this point.

Now for topics like UFOs - go for it. Silly topic, so spend as much time and lie however you like to your heart's content. I point out you lying, but when it comes to UFOs - it does not matter. When you lie about more real and relevant topics that is where it can not so fun, so hopefully you will stick to the goofy topics (like UFOs) for you to spend a chunk of your dozens of hours a week obsession on.

Hope that better explained it. Now get back to work on the UFOs!

All the best.

But there's always been UFO coverage in media and entertainment. I remember quite a few ufo documentaries in the 90s, (usually narrated by Star Trek actors like Michael Dorn or Johnathon Frakes) and shows like The X Files being way popular as well as films like Fire in the Sky or mini series like Intruders. Journalist George Knapp has been reporting on ufos for 30 odd years.

They do tend to be "fluff" or "filler" along with paranormal stuff or anomalies in terms of news reporting. But I don't think it's for propaganda and honestly don't think there's been a sudden increase in reporting and this is from someone who has an interest in the topic, even if I don't think Aliens are visiting.

Earth went through five major extinction events though, so deliberate panspermia would need to take such things into account. Nobody knows how precisely life came into being so panspermia inn itself is as good a theory as any other, really. But I personally doubt it was due to Alien interference. Again if there are intelligent civilizations, they could be thousands and thousands of light years away. The odds of anything hitting a just right planet would have to be pretty low.

Well Trolly's gonna trolololly and that other bloke you're talking to seems to simply be here to insult others and engage in personal attacks so I personally wouldn't bother with either.

Yeah i mentioned Eshed also earlier but neglected to mention that he's also plugging a book called The Universe Beyond the Horizon: Conversations with Professor Haim Eshed (For some reason that title makes me think of two old academic dudes in front of a fire with cigars and brandy)

Fellow UFO enthusiast who I mentioned earlier Nick pope opines:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-n...knows-n1250333

(That bolded bit made me chuckle btw)

Maybe that's why Trump wants his space force

But again think of Ted Gunderson- high ranking Fed who nonetheless believed in a nationwide Satanic network involved in drug & child trafficking.

Lots of people have nutty beliefs, doesn't mean there's an agenda behind it. Pope's IMO correct. Eshed is indeed plugging a book and trying to drum up publicity for it but nothing more than that.

Gunderson isn't necessarily the best example for me since I've sort of come to the conclusion that he is not a true believer and was disinfo.

I have told Lucky many times that his best tactic with me is to put me on ignore whenever he cannot handle my posts, and he has said it is generally better for him to not to try to engage me. He should listen to you (and himself) on this narrow topic, since he does not listen to me when I suggest it.

He should also find some apprentices to work with that can help further his take on the world. Perhaps you can be that person, and if so I wish you both luck on your future endeavor together, particularly with UFO investigations. Important topic that is worthy of both your time. Add in the plot and forces behind the Gunderson disinfo/psy op whatever for a change of pace. Good luck!

All the best.

During silly season with reduced staff, media with traditions from print / TV or who still do TV / release print media will drum up fluff to fill gaps. I met a freelancer who basically had that as a steady gig during silly seasons.

It's pretty easy spot, a lot of exciting words about very little.

It's not really media though. That was a mistake on my part. It's government and former government that's driving it. Furthermore, it predates the pandemic.

It's seasonally exciting because the word UFO conjures up far more meaning than it conveys when used technically, therefore it makes for excellent fluff pieces. Drum up a few quotes from some believers in the articles and it all seems exciting even though it says nothing.

That doesn't require government efforts, only an editor with a quota to fill.

Ya to be clear I am not suggesting earth was seeded purposely. It could be a meteor with the seeds of life.

But I do believe mankind will have those debates in the coming hundred years. DO we send satellites to distance planets with the seeds of life here and take a chance at re-seeding our planets life somewhere out there? It does not have to be accompanies with a plan for success. Again just a handful of the types of life we have here that is enormously hardy and let it go and see what happens.

They would just end up beating us at cricket

God exists. God created the universe and human-kind.

Big bang created the expanding universe. Millions of evolutionary years later...human-kind.

Both singular, human created theories. (though, one springs from infinitely more curiosity, skepticism, thoughtfulness and work)

All evidenced based and non-evidence based theories aside. Why not multiple big bangs, multiple gods, no big bangs, no gods?

Something completely different: multiple realities, with multiple origins, intersecting at all times and in all spaces?

Pompousness oozing from the human need to find the "singular" reason for being, is just that, pomposity. Existence, Being, is eternal, always has been, always will be.

Aliens, UFO's, are nothing more than the human mind putting itself front and center and labeling anything outside the human experience as foreign/alien.

I humbly posit. Finding nothing; no things, no space, no thought, no action, no emotion, and proving nothing exists would be infinitely more impressive than finding a single provable way in which life sprung into existence. Mostly because, if you found nothing, that's something, and thus, not nothing, which kind of, not unequivocally, proves the eternal nature of Being.

Aliens and UFO's are simply another wonderful part of the eternal nature of being.

I know someone who once ordered a Big Mac under the belief that he would get two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles onions on a sesame seed bun. Alas, upon taking a bite he did not believe the sauce was that special.

On that day he discovered part of the eternal nature of being.

All the best.

That’s true until they kidnap you and start shoving things in your butt.

If by chance your acquaintance is one of the lucky few who tend to forget most everything soon after having become aware of, well, most everything, he most certainly will get to experience the, sadly, less than special nature of Big Mac sauce repeatedly, while making the same new friends inside the, hopefully, sterile confines of the Golden Arches.

Cheers!

Could it really have been the aliens who changed jiffy peanut butter to jiff? I guess that makes more sense. I feel weird asking that seriously.

Realization and acceptance of the wonderfulness of eternity doesn't, I suppose, negate the more personally complex experiences one might encounter once one begins to see the possibilities are endless.