Is that a luckbox gimmick?

Oh, we went through all this. I made some general easily falsifiable predictions about what we'd expect to see, and you made a big deal about this report and the media talk but steadfastly refused to ever make that kind of statement.

And then in the mod thread after this was locked you claimed I didn't have a position. Which is really funny given now the strongest claim you've made has come after the report:

but is still just weak enough to never actually be wrong. UFOs never disappear "completely". There's always a story somewhere.

It's not really about you being "required" to do anything, it's about me pointing out that all this talk of the big report coming never actually meant anything to you. It couldn't have or you'd either be retracting your claims or showing how the report supports them. You can't actually do that because you refused to ever state anything beyond something is "different".

I can only assume this thread was reopened for my victory dance, as I requested.

Im not much into it, but what I mean is:

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blog...earth-in-2021/

"According to Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), which keeps a record of the operational satellites, there are 6,542 satellites, out of which 3,372 satellites are active and 3,170 satellites are inactive, as recorded by 1st January, 2021."

https://www.techradar.com/news/every...space-internet

"Starlink will happen in phases, but the ultimate goal is to have about 8,000 satellites orbiting just 500km above the planet, and the remaining 4,000 orbiting much higher up, at around 1,200km."

Thats an increase by 400% just by Starlink/SpaceX alone.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonatha...h=1dc395fd7628

Amazons project wants to send 3.000 new satellites. Thats as many as we currently have active.

https://www.geekwire.com/2021/spacex...ds-satellites/

“The SpaceX-Amazon tiff over orbits is likely to be the least of our problems when other companies, countries, militaries start ramping up,” Cashel told GeekWire in a Twitter message. “There is finite, shared real estate in LEO, and no global consensus on systems for governance and allocation.”

Lots of money currently going into an unregulated market. Then there is also this stuff:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/31...on-satellites/

“The space domain is competitive, congested, and contested,” Gen. James Dickinson, the head of U.S. Space Command, said in January. “Our competitors, most notably China and Russia, have militarized this domain.”

Thats a little hotter than what I remember from the last two decades in regards to space.

Ya but what about in the face of reasonable questions and prior data provided that he was almost always wrong with regards to this being so unique as to not be comparable to past incidents?

And it seemed to me his entire point was not the noise (reports and chatter) and that it was leading to something, something big. Pretty sure he said that all thru eluding to what was to follow (being set up) as what was important.

I am pretty comfortable saying his premise was not 'this is all a bunch of noise but otherwise a nothing burger', so I hope you don't mind if i do not rank your assessment skills very high.

(glad Lucky dusted off his alt account to post this)

i think what was interesting about this topic and probably what the other poster's main observation was was that there was an obvious increased push from government officials and mainstream media to take this topic seriously

you may be right that he also expected something in the actual report to have significance. however I don't have interest in having any further argument about what another poster's argument was so i will disengage from this discussion

I think the vast majority of people old enough to have historical context disagree with the bolded.

I mean, sure media played it for clicks but gov't never really elevated it beyond' ya for decades we have seen things we cannot explain and now we are freed to finally talk about'.

Seeing 'things they cannot explain whether here on Earth or while peering into space I don't think shocks anyone'.

So what was the main difference ...'gov't officials being freed to talk about it". That is the main shocker and difference for the few that see this as something 'new' worth extra scrutiny.

But there is a very easy answer to the gov't policy change of allowing the chat. At a certain point the gov't thought it was not in their interest to say 'there are things we see we cannot explain' as it might spawn CT's and lack of confidence in govt. But over time too many credible leaks came out that gov't had all sorts of files and info on 'things they could not see or explain'. The knowledge of that being out actually created far more CT's that included assumptions it was far more ominous data being hidden than it was. The idea of 'why the gov't hide it if not ominous and serious'.

So to dispel all of that and with little consequence of saying 'ya, like you guys, the common citizens, we in gov't also see thing we cannot explain and that is all we have in those files', was the route they decided was best to take now.

Some act as if that gov't acknowledgement and NEW talk is proof of this being different but it really is not. At least not in any substantive way.

Oh, I thought you were talking about public interest. I agree everybody is launching more satellites and they are doing more stuff as technology has improved.

Joe Rogan on the report.

Let's remember that any attempt to compare this "increased push" to the past was met by Luckbox with the answer that the past is irrelevant or "whataboutery". He was given plenty of examples of government officials commenting similar things, even former presidents, so aside from the obvious fact that there's a lot more media today than there was in Jimmy Carter's time it's not like we ever established that there was any increased push beyond the normal rotation of news stories.

I was correct there. Obviously this has been different which is why there are youtube clips with Joe Rogan asking "why are UFOs being acknowledged now?".

Were they asking why UFOs were being acknowledged in 1980 or 1957?

Yes.

edit: and it's still incoherent to say "it's different" without comparing it to something else

Your position is that this has all happened before and that in the past the US government has also "acknowledged" the existence of UFOs?

Do you see why I have to accuse you of being dishonest here?

Yes to the first question, no to the second.

ETA: I had only barely watched that clip but it's actually Abby Martin and not Joe Rogan in that clip who asks "why now" there.

Lol at how concerned she looks. This is serious business.

That's usually the face that Abby Martin wears.

The only difference is gov't allowing staffers (Military) to share what they saw that they could not identify and the reports made from that whereas prior they kept it all classified.

But what is in those reports and what they know is no different now than prior.

That was never the point. It's all fake remember. There are no UFOs.

They know that already. That's why it's propaganda.

I am guessing luckbox is on the money while others go full Fox Mulder/fail to grasp the intricacies of the alien psyop from orson welles convincing the world of an attack to the goldilocks zone, 80 years of drip feed mind control.

If you are going to be a conspiracyderp then be a full blast proud member! 80 year+ multi generational conspiracies are the some of the best stuff found on the whole flat world.

I would agree that this was used quite a bit more in the 50s and 60s when this topic was more in the mainstream. I think I saw some interviews of regular engineers and such that worked at Roswell that clearly were not actors and had no agenda that laughed about how at the time they said it was UFOs to mislead the derps about actual new planes (secret at the time) and such being tested. They were amused that it caught on so much.

I am not sure I would call that a psy op so much as it was an easy thing to do at that time. In 2021 that approach no longer works, and since the UFO thing is and always has been a nothingburger they just did what they did and moved on. News programs had fun interviews at the end of the hour with happy scientists (that talked about the mathematical theory of alien life and the exploration for it) and some shows went for ratings by getting a pilot with a weird story /agenda on for click bait. Basically - another news cycle involving a fringe topic.

Same thing, only different because the world changes so everything is different in 2021 than 1951. Saying things are different in and by itself is kind of meaningless in that regard.

So can I assume that we're now working on the basis that the contents of the report never mattered, we're now just asking questions about why the report was written at all?

In the end if a person finds a penny on the street they can think it is due to a psy op if they need.

I'm just looking for confirmation that, as I predicted, the contents of the report being nothing wasn't actually something Luckbox ever cared about. It can't be or he'd have to be in here saying "Well, nothing new came out so I guess I was wrong".

And that's funny because in the mod thread he said I never made any predictions.

You're actually affirming my point right here on that. As a wannabe professional debunker, your concern has been with me as a poster and the things that I say.


I would not say that the contents of the report were "nothing" either.

https://www.christophermellon.net/po...-the-uap-issue

Christopher Mellon--of the Mellon family, former undersecretary of Defense, and one the main proponents of this stuff-- has a piece on what the next steps should be for congress.

I only sort of skimmed it quickly, but references to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are made.