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05-22-2021 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87


This isn't about debunking, it's about showing that conspiracy theorists like Lucky can't even state something that could even be charitably called a "theory". This is his conspiracy feeling.
No. If we wanted to do conspiracy theory we could talk about past completed events.
Do you know what makes the past easy to talk about? I have all sorts of conspiracy theories about the past we can discuss.
"Conspiracy theorists like Lucky can't even state something that can be charitably called a "theory"-- this is you finally letting your prejudices loose here. Congratulations.
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Originally Posted by bladesman
My approach has been not to tear him down but actually offer as many ways as I can think of that he could in principle substantiate his position. And then watch him duck, dive, and dodge doing those things. I'm less interested in debunking him than showing that he can't even put his view on the table in a way that it could even matter or perhaps even mean anything at all in some parts of the thread..
You're doing a great job in this thread Bladesman.
Why don't you give your ideas of what is going on now though?
I think most reasonably intelligent people don't have a problem following me here though, and nothing I've said has been difficult or convoluted.

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05-22-2021 , 11:11 AM
Of course you won't give any ideas yourself because that is not your mission here.
Which is sad because you're the one who has studied UFOs so you should be in a great position to tell us what is up with all this attention government/media is placing on them. But instead all you want to do is try get me to make my theory falsifiable, but why is that?
Bladesman,
Do you think that there has been a change in how UFOs are presented in media over the last little bit? Can you answer this question without the need for a bunch of definitions and word games? And if you can't, why should I treat you as any sort of honest participant here and instead just lump you in with the rest of the trolls?

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05-22-2021 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
You set the game up where you are the sole arbiter, won’t agree to any rules or objective criteria and refuse to provide any subjective position other than “it is different” and “something will happen.” Of course, in your mind and in this construct, you are winning!
Are you even following this thread or the arguments here?
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05-22-2021 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
I'll say if anyone in that list of people Lucky posted gets a bunch of money soon to investigate UFOs he's the winner.
This would not be my assumption for what happens here fwiw, and only Robert Bigelow would be in position to receive any additional money and I don't see that happening again for him.
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05-22-2021 , 11:56 AM
No, that's your position.
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05-22-2021 , 12:20 PM
Bladesman,
Why do you think the burden should be on me here to fully flesh out my position, as opposed to anyone else participating in this thread?
Like you've been in this thread the whole time and I barely know what you think here. I know that you think that UFOs have been a part of the media landscape for a long time [which we all know]-- but that's basically the only position I can put you on.
Don't you think that's a bit problematic? I get that you've stylized yourself as some sort of anti-conspiracy theory guru, but there should be a little bit of a give and take if we're going to have that sort of relationship.
Honestly even Monteroy has given his thoughts more clearly than you here, and that's saying a lot.

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05-22-2021 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Bladesman,
Why do you think the burden should be on me here to fully flesh out my position, as opposed to anyone else participating in this thread?
I can fully appreciate the idea of "extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence" fwiw.
But Bladesman-- is speculating that not all is on up-and-up with the UFO roll-out actually an extraordinary claim? [Question for any of my other detractors as well].
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05-22-2021 , 12:50 PM

Most people here probably do not know who Caitlin Johnstone is, but she's a writer that I've known of for a while and who I sometimes find infuriating, but she has a piece out on all this, but her article and this twitter thread could be worth a look.

Cuepee, she says your theory has a 0% of being true.

She also declines to make predictions save this one, which seems reasonable.
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05-22-2021 , 01:02 PM
Compelling lol

That's you isn't it?
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05-22-2021 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Compelling lol

That's you isn't it?
Well what do you think is going on?
Click bait that will go away soon or something more?
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05-22-2021 , 01:05 PM
Nothing's going on. I can't tell if you're serious.
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05-22-2021 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Nothing's going on. I can't tell if you're serious.
I'm serious.
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05-22-2021 , 01:12 PM
I hope you're on to something like Mel Gibson in that conspiracy movie.
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05-22-2021 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
I hope you're on to something like Mel Gibson in that conspiracy movie.
Is it your opinion that only a crazy person would wonder why UFOs are suddenly being talked about in a serious manner?
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05-22-2021 , 01:24 PM
Who's talking seriously about UFO's?
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05-22-2021 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Are you even following this thread or the arguments here?
1. You believe you are able to connect dots or data that others cannot. Despite this skill set, you are unable to articulate what you have learned by connecting these dots in any meaningful way. So you can see a pattern but not explain its meaning other than “psy-ops of later this year, maybe June.”
2. Cuepee and Bladesman are wasting their time trying to have reasonable discussions with you.
3. Somehow in your mind through this discussion or prediction, Lizard boy and Trolldoll have agreed with you and they are now your bitches, in the figurative sense.

Did I miss something?
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05-22-2021 , 01:39 PM
Hope you did not miss anything as number 3 shows a pretty weird side to your fetish fantasy world. No need for you to post 4...

Anyway, he will reply to you, as he does know an easy opponent when he sees one.

All the best.
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07-19-2021 , 08:11 AM
The signal to noise ratio in figuring out the big "are there others" questions is and has always been horrific. Magnet for crackpots and opportunists.

What's changed and will drive clarity is data collection capabilities are taking this beyond eye witness/**** photo/**** video testimony, where evidence would rightly never meet the extraordinary threshold required.

When you have multiple sensors covering vast areas to the definition of a baseball at 40 miles, across a wide area, and a constant 3d map at that, the conversation is at a new level. Warplanes are not mere tactical strike assets, they are flying sensor platforms which integrate with other assets to build this 3d map.

The last congressional hearings on UFOs took place in a different technological era, blip blip radars. This time around, and the trajectory is for a similar process, you'll have senators and the like read in to the classified specifications of the systems capturing the data. At that stage, imo, it will become a question of which country takes a disclosure lead. If it even takes that long (not every capable country has the bureaucratic baggage of the US in coming clean on UAPs).

For the first time, US military have been tasked to operationalise reporting of UAPs, not as in oh, heres a place to file that stuff but rather you must file those reports. And not next year, get it in place within 2 weeks was the order. Previously it had been tasked/deflected to FAA, and their process was diabolical (perhaps you could say it found the too-hard basket).

There is a steady stream of various retired high level military people coming out now and relating their experiences, which is related to the knowledge that there is this viable sensor data to back up their accounts.

If you can deal with the signal to noise issue and then apply solid analytical process to the good sources that exist you might find its cut-and-dried as I have. Right now, while the data exists but technical capabilities remains classified, people reading is a key skill. Look at the motivations of and breadcrumbs left by those with undisputed security clearances themselves and in their networks, and watch like a hawk any face time with those read-in higher ups this month and onwards.

It's exciting times, a huge question for humanity being answered in our lifetimes. You may reach a different conclusion to me but don't let the 98% crackpots and timewasters, and social stigma cloud judgement. There isnt any need to form a view on abductions, roswell/metamaterials, whether The Abyss, The Matrix are based on real life things..., Phoenix lights, remote viewing or that bigelow and his werewolves, none of that, its all noise. Are some "others" kicking it from time to time on this little rock, thats all that matters at this point. Maybe we are a convenient hydrogen gas station for their zippy machines, maybe they have reptilians running for congress..., none of that matters imo for any investigation because none of the evidence would reach a threshold. But can we say conclusively they are kicking it here, thats the question that's answerable.
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07-19-2021 , 08:24 AM
Did they release this dumb report yet?
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07-19-2021 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I think that's a bad standard, and here's why: this still being in the news in August would fit both our hypotheses of "something" and "nothing" equally well. It wouldn't give us evidence either way. It's my opinion that there's always "someone" talking about this stuff.

I'd make these predictions: we won't see any change in budget perhaps beyond the kind of increase in-line with usual budget changes, we won't see the government confirm the existence of extra-terrestrials, and we won't see the government confirm the existence of some new cutting-edge technology capable of doing the extraordinary things people claim are occurring in the video (performing manoeuvres that are deemed "impossible" for known aircrafts for example).

We could perhaps drill down a bit deeper into that, but those are all things that could, in principle, not come to pass in a way that it was obvious they were wrong.

Do you have any predictions of that type?
Was I wrong?
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07-19-2021 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Did they release this dumb report yet?
Probably. Nobody cared if they did.

The interesting thing though is when threads like this get quietly unlocked, what does that mean? Is this a portend of the future of these forums with the new owners? Hopefully Lucky can share what potential psy ops are at work in that regard, as no report will ever be released on this.
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07-19-2021 , 08:48 AM
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Probably. Nobody cared if they did.

The interesting thing though is when threads like this get quietly unlocked, what does that mean? Is this a portend of the future of these forums with the new owners? Hopefully Lucky can share what potential psy ops are at work in that regard, as no report will ever be released on this.
The brief summary is:
There's some UAP
Dunno what most of them are but one turned out to be a balloon
We need more data because there's always the chance one is Chinese or Russian
Some of them are likely down to sensor glitches or "observer misperception"

It's mindblowing stuff.
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07-19-2021 , 09:06 AM
It’s wild how Lucky being wrong only makes him more smug.
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07-19-2021 , 09:57 AM
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It’s wild how Lucky being wrong only makes him more smug.
Surely this is complete projection from you.
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07-22-2021 , 05:48 AM
...so how likely is it that the new owners are space lizards?
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