No seeding is required and we worked out some time ago that the fact that the hole fits the puddle perfectly is not as profound as it might seem.

It's not impossible. Tardigrades have been shown to be capable of surviving the void of space and they're multi cellular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardig...0water%20bears.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...-space-vacuum/

Of course there's always the danger that any life we send for such a purpose, be it microbrial or more complex could end up on a planet that already has life and be deadly to its inhabitants

But it's not impossible.I don't think it's likely though, personally and if it were to occur, would be again more likely via accident.

It could be technology related, where they're looking to introduce some Tesla style something and for who knows what reason want to claim it's alien technology because that fits other agendas. That's a rather mundane fanciful explanation-- then there's the Independence Day idea, which is definitely nuts, or just to sell the idea that we're not alone for arcane and esoteric reasons.
And it could also be that this gets pushed because it sells in the media and Epstein can't always be not killing himself and that stories like this are useful to distract people.

It's not being driven by popular demand though. It's being driven by government and former government officials. That's partly how I can safely call it propaganda. When former CIA heads are talking about UFOs it isn't because they are interested in having the public know the truth about anything.

As a Star Trek fan I am well aware of Tardigrades and have read up on them They are super interesting.

But well beyond that, yes if we find a planet with water (some suspect water trapped below ice on Mars) we could do things to seed that water with various forms of life from earth. Some that could start a process of global warming for that planet and creating an atmosphere.

And that debate over 'should we' and 'might we be changing the natural course of another planet with our life, when it might have had life of its own evolving' is exactly the type of debate I was referring to in my first points on this.

I think mankind would wring our hands over such 'ethical issues' but I don't think that should be a thing at all on planets were we can observe no life. Even if there is bacterial stew there already that could emerge to new life, us introducing competing elements can be part of a planets natural evolution too.

There is no reason to believe life on earth evolved without outside the galaxy interference, as we are talking about here.

Entertain people is more accurate. Just like the celebrity failing driver's test story - much of the "news" is disposable entertainment. This story is that. Suggesting it is to distract people implies a darker reason for the story that you may need to believe in, and that is what being a conspiracyderp is all about.


This is how conspiracyderps create narratives out of nothingburgers. In the near future when this is a complete nothing topic, will you believe it was because it was a story with no legs or that sinister forces are behind it not being talked about any more? Really hard to guess that one, but for now you should continue your investigative work and get to the bottom of it. Maybe post your findings in the riggie thread here as the Qderp no longer posts. Thanks!

All the best.

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As per my saying 'seeding' is one of the options for humankind to potential have the conditions for earth life forms on other planets??

I see it as 'seeding' or much further into our future 'actual transportation of colonists' with the former being something we could arguable begin now, but the latter likely being more than a hundred years away.


Nothing is 'required' but if mankind decides we want to hedge against our planetary life forms dying in a singular extinction level event on this planet then those seem to be the two best options.

Sorry was grunching a bit.

I hope as well as a trekkie you're also a fan of Douglas Adams and recognised the puddle reference.

I did not. But I googled and find that a fascinating simplistic way to explain the concept. Thx for sharing.

Cool. Not sure why you posted that in this thread, which currently consists of people discussing UFOs, interspersed with Luckbox arguing with anyone he can about how UFOs are a big thing in the media these days. Number of people trying to "debunk" anything "tangentially related to conspiracy theories"? I think that number sits pretty firmly at zero.

When it comes to Lizard People - you will never see me debunk them. Promises made and one day hopefully promises kept!

The maths behind complexity theory gets satifyingly err... complex but there's commonly the problem that the concepts are just too simple for people to grasp.

You're such a lazy troll; just repeating the same stuff over and over. Hey tell me, did you win any money betting on the election

any update on et?

ET go home.

Maybe former/current officials and/or academics are simply pursuing a new career/income to go with their pension. I mentioned Avi Loeb & his theory re Oumuamua being an Alien probe for example- he's also plugging a book at the same time, coincidentally enough.
There was also the dubious claims of former LT Col Phillip J Corso, that Aliens gave us our technology boost leading to fibre optics and kevlar, among other things. He was also plugging a book, titled The Day After Roswell.

In The UK former MOD official Nick Pope routinely appears in UFO documentaries (and very probably as a guest at UFO conventions) and has written a book which embraces the theory that some UFOS are of Alien origin.

Nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman did the same thing re conventions and books. There's quite a bit of money to be made doing the convention circuit and gigs as consultants on UFO shows, due to the popularity of the topic. And people gotta eat.
I can assure you that many former LE such as FBI agents like John Douglas & Jim Clemente do the exact same thing regarding criminal matters- Clemente got plenty of gigs and worked on Criminal Minds show. Douglas probably got paid somehow for that netflix show Mindhunter which is based on his pseudo scientific nonsense as True Crime is also a popular topic where money can be made.

So with respect I think you could be simply reading too much into this.

Yeah, did pretty well, thanks for asking. No UFOs needed either. Hope that answered your question, as otherwise I have literally zero idea who you are, so if we had an interaction before only one of us remembers it. Do you have anything in terms of opinions here that help you stick out in any way? Perhaps you can help Lucky with his further research by becoming his apprentice. Good luck if you do!

All the best.

I'm assuming the recent uptick in UFO stories(according to the google stats) will continue as Congress demanded all UFO intelligence to be disclosed by June...

The latest leaked UFO video taken by navy personal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvm_xDVaDI

Looks like a drone fleet to me. One of the more credible or incredible UFO stories was at a children's school in Africa. In the documentary The Phenonomen - they show archived footage of them interviewing the children at the school and then reinterviewing them some 30 years later. There were over 100 witnesses as well! This time the craft actually landed and a few of the children telepathically communicated with aliens who communicated they were concerned that our technology was dangerous.

This is something I'd like to believe was true, so it's easy to abandon discipline or reason. Ultimately, I think those children are making it up. Maybe, it all started as a child's game, a tall tale in the playground and fantasy is now a reality - they don't even know they are lying anymore. Occams razor and all that...

The grifter angle hadn't been one that I'd considered but there's some feasibility to it.

Found this 2019 Intercept piece yesterday: THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?: There is no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Luis Elizondo is the (alleged) former Pentagon UFO hunter who is featured in a ton of current reporting on the issue.

Yes, AATIP existed, and it “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena,” Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me. However, he added: “Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.”

Elizondo is connected with Tom DeLonge (the Blink-182 guy and works with his company To The Stars, which also has a former CIA employee as one of its co-founders.

DeLonge, a musician of Blink-182 fame and longtime UFO enthusiast, is the co-founder and interim CEO of To the Stars, the company Elizondo joined in October 2017, several days after he resigned from the Department of Defense. Since the company’s inception, certain members of its “elite team,” including Elizondo, have appeared frequently in the news media.

This week is a prime example. Another former Pentagon official with a prominent role in “Unidentified” appeared several days ago on “Fox & Friends.”

“We know that UFOs exist,” Chris Mellon, a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, pronounced on the show. “This is no longer an issue. The issue is why are they here? Where are they coming from? And what is the technology behind these devices that we are observing?”

And the DeLonge stuff gets interesting.

In fact, the whole origin story of To the Stars, which DeLonge recapped in a bizarre public rollout in October 2017 and in an even more bizarre interview with podcast host Joe Rogan, is pretty bananas. In sum, DeLonge claims that he is the military’s chosen vessel for UFO disclosure.

“Why you?” Rogan asked on his podcast. “What could you do?”

“Communication,” DeLong responded. “They don’t have a way to make a movie, a book. They don’t have a way to go on a show like this.”

They can be grifters while at the same time pushing a psy-op of course too.
I mean something is happening, and the "they're just grifters" idea does have some appeal and they can take advantage of a compliant and incredulous media that appreciates some juicy stories.

Kids tend to report bizarre ones all right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident


Shag Harbour UFO incident is another interesting one although possibly a secret aircraft. That said one wonders why it hasn't been declassified since, considering it was over 50 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shag_Harbour_UFO_incident
https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/shag-har...lage-1.4625623

I mentioned Elizondo itt earlier actually and might have even linked that piece.
I dunno if I'd use the word grifter per se (although I would re the likes of John Douglas and Pete Clemente wrt true crime) but more point out people's attitudes/nature in general. If you can make money off something you'll do it. Lots of b-Horror actors appear at horror movie festivals/conventions for example and for some it's how they make a living. That can apply to any field or community and UFO enthusiasts are a community like any other.

And bear in mind some of those in authority are personally interested in topics such as UFOs. One of Clinton's staffers was, as is the aforementioned Harry Reid. Sen Barry Goldwater also had a keen interest as did Admiral Lord Peter Hill-Norton in the UK, It doesn't necessarily mean they have some agenda when discussing such things, they simply comment on things which interest them.

You did actually in post #12. I just missed it/forgot
Yeah I don't doubt that there might be some true believers in government. But I'm not going to automatically take all of them at face-value either on this. My default would be not do that.

Then there is this story: Former Israeli space security chief says extraterrestrials exist, and Trump knows about it: A "galactic federation" has been waiting for humans to "reach a stage where we will understand... what space and spaceships are," Haim Eshed said.

Trolly already alluded to me being an anti-semite because I doubt the media on UFOs-- which I think is so absolutely hilarious that I didn't even need to take offense, but no doubt me posting this will confirm all of his suspicions. But it's wild stuff. Here is his wiki: Haim Eshed

Eshed was director of space programs for Israel Ministry of Defense for nearly 30 years, is former chair of the Space Committee of the National Council for Research and Development for the Ministry of Science, Technology and Space and a member of the steering committee of Israel Space Agency.[8][9] Eshed is responsible for the launch of 20 Israeli made satellites,[10] and he is widely cited as the father of Israel's space program.[11]

So he is apparently as top top as it gets there. So let's look at his claims:

Eshed said cooperation agreements had been signed between species, including an "underground base in the depths of Mars" where there are American astronauts and alien representatives.

"There is an agreement between the U.S. government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here," he said.

Eshed added that President Donald Trump was aware of the extraterrestrials' existence and had been "on the verge of revealing" information but was asked not to in order to prevent "mass hysteria."

Here is the J- post article: Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready
It definitely puts a new spin on "Space Force".
But the options are

1) It's all true and either he is personally looking to get the truth out or is some sort of emissary of truth (like what DeLonge is apparently claiming)
2) Some of it is true and some of it is false and he either knows which parts are which or doesn't.
3) It's all false and he either knows that or doesn't.

So like 6 options total as there is an "A" and "B" choice to each of those. My bet is still on 3A.

In the CNN video linked a bit upthread, this was the most responded to comment and it's worth noting. At some point it becomes "**** or get off the pot" so it shouldn't be surprising that people aren't all jumping on board with it.
But I think given the totality of everything, that I'm definitely proving my thesis that whatever is happening vis-a-vis UFOs in recent years isn't just business as usual. How that gets interpreted though is still very much up in the air [pun].

Congratulations on you congratulating yourself for what you believe is a job well done. The next step will be finding other humans who agree with you on your accomplishment, but why worry about details like that when you have yourself to give yourself a reference when needed.

Anyway you probably need to do a lot more research into this important topic (for you). Get to work and keep us updated with your progress. The truth, as you need to interpret it, is out there.

All the best.