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05-20-2021 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Why do you think a report is coming out again on this next month?
Stop your answering questions with a question schtick and I already told you why earlier itt, I'm not repeating myself due to your either short attention span or else dishonest debating style.
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05-20-2021 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Stop your answering questions with a question schtick and I already told you why earlier itt, I'm not repeating myself due to your either short attention span or else dishonest debating style.
I'm trying to get you to think.
Why do you think the report is coming out?
It's a pretty simple question
Sometimes the Socratic method is needed for people who are thick.
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05-20-2021 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I've no idea what you're even trying to say here. Authority figures have been commenting on the topic since the late 40s. Footage has been released since the very early 50s. It's not suddenly different as of four years ago. You just keep insisting it is in a baseless manner.
Like do you understand how completely silly all of this rhetoric is CV?
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05-20-2021 , 04:03 PM
And I already answered it in very simple terms at the time, Sometimes you need to retain info.

Oh and never call people thick after you mention CT's by people who use Protocols of the Elders of effin Zion as a source, there's a heads up

You still haven't explained how it's different. I take it you won't be breaking that trend anytime soon?
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05-20-2021 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I had no idea it was locked I thought it was inactive for years. It's a gargantuan thread but every aspect of the case is covered and I'd recommend reading either 57on Red's posts or Henry's posts particularly his megapoast which lays out the case quite well
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=6643
Cheers
ye i read every post last few weeks. good stuff by you guys and even tho I think 239, HJ or any of the defenders were absolute dogshit for never countering a megha post and were dishonest in a few areas, i didn't like how people wanted 239 for being banned. I think he believed what he believed. didnt like how peoepl got calle dout for being trolls when it went agains the hive mind right away

dumb to lock a thread like that but oh well. good stuff overall a good read and im still unsure if she was complicit or not at end of day. a good lawyer could've argue and get their whatever way based on what we all know.
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05-20-2021 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
And I already answered it in very simple terms at the time, Sometimes you need to retain info.
Like literally very little of anything that you, Monteroy, Cuepee, or Bladesman has said has mattered to me here. So if I don't retain all of it then apologies but it's mostly because I consider it meaningless noise.
The Gettier stuff is at least fun though, and I appreciated you telling me about that guy Bennowitz.
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05-20-2021 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm not really arguing much. Everyone else is just arguing against me on the same silly points and basically arguing that what is happening with UFOs in media/government right now is nothing new.
I'm arguing that it is something new and they keep wanting to say how. When I do say how they dismiss what I say or whatabout from UFO history going back to 1947 to find examples of how what I'm saying is different has happened before.
I think it's just people (sometimes highly placed people who should know better) being idiots. Americans have been conditioned since the 1940s to believe in this stuff, but really when a UFO turns up it's probably a speck on the lens of the fighter's targeting pod and it appears to move at fantastic and unearthly speed just because the pilot's gimballing the seeker head to track something that was never there in the first place. The mass-hysterical element is of interest, but it's not going to be some organised nefarious conspiracy.
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05-20-2021 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
I think it's just people (sometimes highly placed people who should know better) being idiots. Americans have been conditioned since the 1940s to believe in this stuff, but really when a UFO turns up it's probably a speck on the lens of the fighter's targeting pod and it appears to move at fantastic and unearthly speed just because the pilot's gimballing the seeker head to track something that was never there in the first place. The mass-hysterical element is of interest, but it's not going to be some organised nefarious conspiracy.
Well yes and no. We're all mostly in agreement here that UFOs are not real and that these videos are basically nothing.
The disagreement is about why it's making news, why there is a Pentagon report due out next month on the topic, and why various people from across the power structure in the USA are promoting the idea that UFOs are real.
I'm saying that there is actually some organization and purpose behind that beyond just the media trolling for clicks or whatever-- although that's part of it too.
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05-20-2021 , 04:23 PM
CV are you familiar with the holtzclaw case?
The guy is sitting in jail for life. And he is innocent.
That's the only person I know of such a case. I don't know what this is but it's completely crazy. The guy was set up and is 100% innocent!

https://www.change.org/p/free-daniel...ully-convicted



Sorry for derail. The guy is innocent jailed for life.
CV if you not familiar with this, it is the most butchered case you'll ever find.

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05-20-2021 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Lol see I have no patience for this kind of dishonesty.
https://youtu.be/60ZJQ4I7_3M
That is not dishonesty.

"Real' there just means they 'acknowledge' they took the footage of something 'unknown'. A 'UFO'.

Prior they knew they TOOK that footage but they would not 'acknowledge' that publicly.

The only thing different is that 'acknowledgement' or comment which I have given you over and over the most logical and reasonable answer that is also pretty benign.
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05-20-2021 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Nah. The only one who believes in you is you. If you ventured out of this little hole to other forums like this you would face the exact same dynamic you do here. You likely have experienced it your whole life. You believe that you are always right and everyone else does not get it. You are like the online poker riggie who can see the rig but cannot prove it or explain it in a verifiable manner. You are the main character in your narrative.

Your views are not "better." They are warped by the peculiar way you see reality, and since your warped vision of reality is the only one that exists and matters to you - everyone else who does not share your outlook is an inferior being that does not see the rig that seems apparent and obvious to you. You see it with your own eyes after all. You are not a dummy. You are not a whiner, but at the core you are essentially a routine riggie.
Lucky has literally manufactured his own CT that the only reason he does not get taken seriously here or elsewhere in his life is that others are part of some big conspiracy to deny what is obvious that he keeps putting in front of us.

He is the oracle and all else are blind.
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05-20-2021 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That is not dishonesty.



"Real' there just means they 'acknowledge' they took the footage of something 'unknown'. A 'UFO'.



Prior they knew they TOOK that footage but they would not 'acknowledge' that publicly.



The only thing different is that 'acknowledgement' or comment which I have given you over and over the most logical and reasonable answer that is also pretty benign.
It's just being thick and playing word games.
We're talking about propaganda here not objective facts. There are no real UFOs because UFOs aren't real. That's not stopping them from saying they are.

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05-20-2021 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Lucky has literally manufactured his own CT that the only reason he does not get taken seriously here or elsewhere in his life is that others are part of some big conspiracy to deny what is obvious that he keeps putting in front of us.



He is the oracle and all else are blind.
What's your reason for not being taken seriously in life I wonder?
But I've never said you're a part of some conspiracy. What I've said is that you're dense and that you're blind people groping elephants on this topic.
I mean I get why you might resent that because no one wants to be told that not only are they wrong, but they don't even have the capability for getting it right-- but that would appear to be where we are now on this.
Fortunately we don't have to argue and can agree to disagree.
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05-20-2021 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It's just being thick and playing word games.
We're talking about propaganda here not objective facts. There are no real UFOs because UFOs aren't real. That's not stopping them from saying they are.

NO you are spinning or are thick.


Because the Military had a policy of no comment, citizens could not know if the leaked footage they were looking at was some 'deep fake' or was 'taken legitimately'.

That is where the question comes in and the Military has confirmed it real 'al taken legitimately by them'.

What it does not mean is that the object, the UFO is any thing other than some 'unidentified flying thing'. "Real" has nothing to do with that part.


So this 'big reveal' that you think is so meaningful is just the militaries change in policy to no be silent on 'did you take the footage' that no one can explain and instead to now say 'yes we took that footage' that no one can explain.
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05-20-2021 , 04:56 PM
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05-20-2021 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What's your reason for not being taken seriously in life I wonder?
But I've never said you're a part of some conspiracy. What I've said is that you're dense and that you're blind people groping elephants on this topic.
I mean I get why you might resent that because no one wants to be told that not only are they wrong, but they don't even have the capability for getting it right-- but that would appear to be where we are now on this.
Fortunately we don't have to argue and can agree to disagree.
Oh you cut me to the quick. lol. So clownishly funny as you lash out at ALL of those who are calling your BS.

But you see, you have the same explanation for everyone who keeps calling you. They ALL can't see, and you are the only one with clarity. That either means they are all in on it to deny you the truth that they agree with or that you truly are the only insightful and smart person and everyone else is just too dumb to see what you do.

There really is not a 3rd option.
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05-20-2021 , 05:00 PM
Cuepee,
Do you think Wetwork has trouble following me here?
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05-20-2021 , 05:04 PM
I guarantee you Wetwork cannot answer any of the questions others are asking you and refuse to answer based on what he has discerned from what you said. Why can I guarantee that? As you yourself admit you are not addressing them.

If he wants to believe and follow your unfounded CT's that is fine.

I can literally make up any story right now and someone can 'follow it' if they are not going to challenge it.
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05-20-2021 , 05:07 PM
Cuepee,
I've already answered most of the main questions. You guys just disagree. Which is fine. You have the right.
But if you want me to try again, tell me what it is that you would like to know please.
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05-20-2021 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Lol see I have no patience for this kind of dishonesty.
https://youtu.be/60ZJQ4I7_3M
So they're calling them Unexplained aerial phenomena, which is no different than them calling them unidentified flying objects, if anything it's an even broader definition.

And they're not speculating which is no change from their previous policy so again how is this different? And you still haven't defined what "real" is. Just the same old same old again from you.
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05-20-2021 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
So they're calling them Unexplained aerial phenomena, which is no different than them calling them unidentified flying objects, if anything it's an even broader definition.



And they're not speculating which is no change fro their previous policy so again how is this different?
When I say that we're dealing with propaganda and not objective reality, do you understand what I mean there?
Everything in your post suggests that you do not. Whether they're calling them UAPs or UFOs or just saying that they don't know what they are-- all of this is irrelevant and it's you taking too fine grained a view of this.
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05-20-2021 , 05:20 PM
No, you're simply blindly asserting it's "propaganda" again what does this even mean?
It's not irrelevant,Project Bluebook stated some of them were unknown and unexplained and the government funded Cobdon investigation committee even went one step further opining at least one was "an extraordinary flying object", regarding the Trent photographs in McMinnville in 1950, and Bluebook finished in 1969 over 50 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn...FO_photographs
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"This is one of the few UFO reports in which all factors investigated, geometric, psychological, and physical, appear to be consistent with the assertion that an extraordinary flying object, silvery, metallic, disk-shaped, tens of meters in diameter, and evidently artificial, flew within sight of two witnesses.
So yet again it's nothing different or new. You're making no sense at all here seriously.

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05-20-2021 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I guarantee you Wetwork cannot answer any of the questions others are asking you and refuse to answer based on what he has discerned from what you said. Why can I guarantee that? As you yourself admit you are not addressing them.

If he wants to believe and follow your unfounded CT's that is fine.

I can literally make up any story right now and someone can 'follow it' if they are not going to challenge it.
I think what you personally should be most embarrassed by is what you're putting out yourself. There is almost no consistency to it. You basically have argued that what is happening is a change in policy that has them going public over this stuff-- in for them to cut off the conspiracy theories basically.
And the only person who believes anything close to that here is Washoe, fwiw. You are essentially arguing that what is happening is actually a legit thing brought about by a shift in attitudes amongst the ruling class towards UFOs.
And yet, your allies in this thread are people like Monteroy, CV, and Bladesman and you attempt to piggyback onto their arguments to attack me-- when if you actually spelled out what you're telling me to them, they would be like "lol no" just the same way that I do.
Have you considered that?
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05-20-2021 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
No, you're simply blindly asserting it's "propaganda" again what does this even mean?
It's not irrelevant,Project Bluebook stated some of them were unknown and unexplained and even went one step further opining at least one was "an extraordinary flying object", regarding the Trent photographs in McMinneville in the early 50s, and Bluebook finished in 1969 over 50 years ago.

So yet again it's nothing different or new. You're making no sense at all here seriously.
This is just whataboutism from 1969. I'll try to figure out the right way to actually explain it though.
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05-20-2021 , 05:29 PM
Whaddya mean whataboutism? You haven't provided any comparison where you can even claim whataboutism as you've given no criteria, This is just word salad from you. You can't even explain your theory or even provide one.
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