Our galaxy alone is thousands of light years across. Aliens could simply be too far away to begin with, combined with as you said the expansion of the universe, so I don't think Fermi's paradox is unduly significant. Iirc his paradox kinda assumes Aliens would colonize the galaxy which might not necessarily be the case assuming Aliens exist.

Indeed but in terms of likelihood it kinda sorta is. Single cell & microbial alien life could be very probable, multi cellular life probable and intelligent life possible. I would imagine intelligent life is rarer albeit possible. But alien life would encompass all be they microbes in Venus' atmosphere or an interstellar traveling species.

UFO related topics in the media tend to occur more in the spring/summer for some reason and we're now in May.

If I switch on the tv at nights I'm getting bombarded with ufo and alien docs lately. Ancient aliens, history channel, forbidden knowledge, that's tv! If I go over to YouTube it gets even more insane. Reptiles. Lol but yeah I get what people try to say, that they see it as someone of preparation of the government to inform people.

There was a time in life where everyone has seen an ufo in my life, except me! My best buddy had seen one, my gf, my next gf, and the next one. It seems all my gf had seen one. An UFO! Wtf? So I came to terms and accepted that there might be UFOS actually. And u agree to corpus villes explanation. Our universe is relatively small, if not incredibly small, tiny is not even describing it, compared to what's there still. They say it's endless space and time. So our universe is nothing, there are endless more, unlimited means you can't count them.

From the NYT article that is in the OP:

Mr. Reid, the former Democratic senator from Nevada who pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the majority leader, said he believed that crashes of objects of unknown origin may have occurred and that retrieved materials should be studied.

“After looking into this, I came to the conclusion that there were reports — some were substantive, some not so substantive — that there were actual materials that the government and the private sector had in their possession,” Mr. Reid said in an interview.

And also from this article published a couple days ago: UFO Fragments Are Likely In Lockheed Martin’s Possession, Says Ex-Sen. Harry Reid

“I was told for decades that Lockheed had some of these retrieved materials,” the Democrat told the media outlet.“And I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff. They would not approve that. I don’t know what all the numbers were, what kind of classification it was, but they would not give that to me.”

Now. Who is Harry Reid people might want to ask. Is he some internet nutjob? Nope, actually he was the senate majority leader.
For the people who want to claim that nothing has changed, please point to the times in the past when officials as high ranking as Harry Reid alleged that aerospace companies have UFO materials.

I think the Brady Bunch covered it when they had an episode dedicated to UFOs. That show also had Henry Kissinger visit the set with his kids. One can make the case that Kissinger is a more significant historical figure than a throwaway Senator, but perhaps you should watch the episode in question and then present your new findings. You may even find some other evidence of a changed timeline as well. Also, Joe Namath was on an episode and later he was with Alf - and Alf is an alien. Coincidence? Look into it, and thanks in advance for your work.

All the best.

From the Guardian article in the OP

Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public,” he said.

“Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have been seen by navy or air force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.

“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

John Ratcliffe was the Director of National Intelligence under Trump for 8 months. Not of the same statute and name recognition as Reid but also a very high ranking former official.
But from the people who claim that everything is the same, I would like to see examples such as this from years past with similar rhetoric from high ranking officials-- and some of that probably could be found.
The question still is why is official Washington doing this?

The funny thing is that I'm here talking about the stuff that the media that you worship is publishing.

Blink 182 frontman, now UFO hunter:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/mu...oil-50572/amp/

He has been for like 20 years.

Lots of stuff in the media that you claim others worship (but you ingest way more than any of us) are throwaway stories, especially in the online era. The UFO one is just that - its a funny whatever, and that is it, but I understand why people with your wiring get attracted to it like a moth to a flame and go wild with your speculation. That is what conspiracyderps innately do as a lifestyle choice.

I have no doubt if you shared all your beliefs (you have the self awareness to avoid doing that unlike the Qderp who was here that vanished) then UFOs would be one of dozens or hundreds of yellow sticky notes on your wall and you will have done a good job supporting the red string industry. Today's is UFOs - maybe the next one will be Lizard People - one can always hope! Now, get back to work reporting the news media to us. Thanks!

All the best.

it never fails, whenever someone posts about anything that can be perceived to be even tangentially related to "conspiracy theories", a horde of smugly contemptuous posters will come screaming into the thread to "debunk" it

What they're trying to debunk is a really curious thing here though. They're trying to debunk the idea that anything is happening in regards to UFO rhetoric/media coverage, despite the plethora of evidence in their own media that says otherwise.

What if they already made it here and they're us

I think your framing is challenging, as per the bold.

The military having a prior habit of 'filing and not commenting on things that are solely observations they do not have complete information on, should be seen as indicative of anything other than a change of policy.

And of course that causing a blip in discussion volume should not be surprising.

Tame got it correct below.

Ted Gunderson was in charge of the FBI's LA branch. He was also a conspiracy theorist of the pizzagate variety who believed in a nationwide Satanic network who abducted kids and trafficked in drugs. He further claimed he had actual footage of a real Satanic sacrifice. Turned out to be a clip fro the film Faces of Death IV.

Respected physicist Avie Loeb thinks the interstellar body of Oumuamua was an Alien probe.

Respected astrophysicist Neil degrasse Tyson thinks it's 50-50 that we're living in some weird computer simulation.

Former head of the Israeli space programme thinks there's a galactic federation.

Just because some influential people or those in authority believe in stuff doesn't make the stuff true.

Also from your linked article:

Like it would be one thing if the spate of recent media attention was driven by actual UFO sightings. But it is not.
Instead it's being driven by Pentagon "confirmations", "verified" gun cam videos, and people like Harry Reid and John Ratcliffe lending support to it. "Officialdom" is all over this, yet somehow nothing is changing for the Monteroys and Trollys here.

I never claimed any of it was true.
I'm claiming it is not true. "Pure disinformation" is the term I've used.
But this also isn't "isolated and random former officials". That's the point here. There is a concerted effort to push these things. That is my claim.

Actually there's the theory of panspermia, which states microbes may have come from outer space which eventually evolved into life on Earth, so there y'go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspe...microorganisms.

Btw, In retrospect I probably should have stated "Respected up until those sexual misconduct allegations came to light astrophysicist Neil degrasse Tyson", my bad.

Which fits one of the speculative theories i would bet on.

At the top of the theories on 'origins of life' I would bet on is an asteroid crashing into an evolving earth, that seeded some of the necessary elements of life which later evolved.

Somewhere in the next batch of theories I would weight 'next most likely', is the alien civilization sending out the 'seeds of life', to various identified planets with the potential to germinate them in an attempt to ensure their species can survive even if they have life ending event on their home planet.


I am confident mankind will enter in to those type of ethical questions and debates in the coming decades as to whether or not we should consider trying to introduce that type of 'seeding' to planets we identify as potentially having the conditions to foster them or even more aggressive terraforming. These are things we are close to being able to do right now whereas mass migrations of settlements of people is likely hundreds of years away, even with the pace of change in tech.

I think most people already accepted that 'things' were being spotted in the sky that we could not comprehend what they were (UFO's). I think most people knew some of them were truly puzzling.

I think most would have bet the Military knew this too but was just not commenting on it.

Is the extent of what they released more than some might of thought? Probably. It was not for me though. I find nothing shocking, as per my prior expectations, other than I would have bet against them releasing it.

Thx for sharing, as this comports with what I have been saying in this thread. I have not read much on this topic but knew there was an active theory about this type of 'seeding'.

I see the below stops short of putting in that basket the 'purposeful' introduction of such seeding via alien craft/satellite, etc. Have you seen any theory on that?

Well they're neither verified or confirmed. Again the Pentagon are simply saying they're unknown and Reid is a probable believer in the Extra Terrestrial Hypotheses so is more prone to interpret such things in such a way and directors of intelligence such as Radcliffe very probably have their own agendas regarding all sorts of topics.

Maybe they wish to send the Russians/Chinese on a snipe hunt and are hoping they'll waste billions in R&D on ultimately non viable stuff, hence the disinformation. They've done it before in the 80s with USAF intel officer Richard C Doty leading journalist Linda Moulton Howe on a merry dance regarding alien technology, cattle mutilations and so forth.
Then there was the Paul Benowitz affair who was a ufo enthusiast and somewhat excitable dude who became convinced he was intercepting radio signals from aliens. The signals were actually secret USAF research but they happily filled his head with nonsense to protect their secret which led to Bennowittz suffering a nervous breakdown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz
So if there's disinfo here it's almost certainly for more grounded reasons ultimately.

No problem and yeah I actually only caught your comments after responding to Luckbox

I would reckon personally it's unintended. I read your other post re the deliberate seeding of life, but I'm not sure if such a plan would be viable as the universe isn't uniform nor the conditions for life as we know it. Unless they were simply putting them out and hoping for the best. Not all planets would have moons, be in the goldilocks zone for habitability, have a stable sun etc.

For me it would be more likely the result of a naturally occurring event/disaster resulting in a ripped away chunk of planet which traveled the cosmos and eventually ended up here or elsewhere, if the Panspermia theory is correct. But for it to be deliberate, again I reckon too many things could go wrong.

But re spacecraft, either ours or Alien, again I reckon if true, it could be simply not being able to keep a craft absolutely 100% microbe free