Well of course it's changed, everything has changed since the late 40s. But I don't think any of us believe that is all your suggesting - the assumption is that you're talking about some kind significant change, rather than an evolution that simply reflects how society has evolved.

Well, now we're finally getting somewhere. This thread would be a few hundred posts shorter if you had just started with "seems like a psy-op going on" rather than "Hmm, lots more media on this, something must be up, but I really don't know what it means and don't want to speculate, could you guys speculate?".

This was post #3 in this thread. I'm sure I've also said the term psy-op like a dozen times. [Ok not a dozen]

Here in this post

So who benefits from the psyop and why?

Idk. Do you think they were observing UFOs off the eastern seaboard almost every day back in 2015?
Probably the Kean and Mellon families benefit as they have family members involved. The whole "my uncle covered up 9/11 but I'm going to expose UFOs" thing.

Oh, I think you may well have said it a dozen times. But every time you were asked what you thought was going on, that was never mentioned - you said you weren't sure yourself. Maybe I'm misremembering.

This was one of those rare times where people who had genuine long life experience in the niche topic you tried to abscond for your manifesto have also told you that you are wrong. Usually it is just you arguing those who dismiss you because you yell at the clouds.

Nobody agrees with you that this is different in the way you need it to be to satisfy your personal psy op whateverburger manifesto. You can keep posting the same few links all you like hoping that quantity>quality, but in the end the only one who believes things are different in the way you need them to be different is you. The needle only moves for you because you need it to for your beliefs.


Every post of his has built in that it might be part of a secret elite psy op without him being able to explain what it is and why. I said that about his posts in this thread hundreds of posts ago, and he will mention it now and then as well. To his credit - the dude is consistent with his messaging. Everything might be a psy op to him, in this case - UFOs, and also in this case he met some actual UFO hobbyists who know a ton more than he does on that topic, which made it more interesting to read than Trolly asking him for the 100th time who benefits from his psy op and getting his question answered with a question for the 100th time.

Option 4: It was misidentified and something mundane. Which is why there's videos debunking it.

But it isn't different and every example you gave was proven as nothing unique. This is just cognitive dissonance on your part at this point.

He has a strange choice of words actually. When washoe posted the already counterpointed CNN footage, LB claimed it was "denied" when it was "explained". It's ike he's trying to build up to what he really believes so couches his comments in a quasi CT tone.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...9&postcount=31
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=103
So that's what you believe in a nutshell LB. You also mentioned Project Bluebeam earlier, which is a CT propagated by this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Monast
...Oh dear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pr...Elders_of_Zion

Dear oh dear...
So again I was correct in my suspicion that you believe an indoctrination process is going on to push ufos on the masses for deep convoluted and of course nefarious reasons.

Needless to say I disagree and we'll leave it at that mate.

Oh and btw I don't think you're an anti Semite. But your sources are highly dubious to say the very least and in future you should probably check them out before using them.

What makes you think he has not checked out his sources? He consumes that type of material, and that Protocols of Zion thing seems pretty much a match to his general beliefs in principle. In this niche UFO topic he happened to run into people much more well versed of its history, whereas usually no one else has researched all the stuff he consumes and selectively links, nor will they bother. I would assume he is quite familiar with the sources and work you suggest he check out before using.

I know basically nothing of Serge Monast. Afaik all his work is in French which I can only barely read.

Guess another example of people with more knowledge than you in this specific area. Kind of why I will default to them when they say nothing is different.

Anyway, as has been posted

In 1995, he published his most detailed work, Les Protocoles de Toronto (6.6.6), modelled upon The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, wherein he said a Masonic group called "6.6.6" had, for twenty years, been gathering the world's powerful to establish the New World Order and control the minds of individuals.

What are your general thoughts about that basic theoretical concept he presented? Agree or disagree?

What basic concept exactly?
For Monast's ideas to be correct, he would have to be believe in something like that I would assume-- that there is a group working behind the scenes. I have no idea if he is an anti-semite but the titling of that work of his is problematic.
Project bluebeam as a concept is definitely one of the more interesting ones though. And it's basically the Reagan UN bit. It is the Independence Day idea.
There are plenty of other more grounded psy-op possibilities I would think though.

I appreciate you answering my question with a question and then giving a variety of possibilities in a vague non committal manner. As I said - you are consistent.


As to what the basic concept of the following is:

he said a Masonic group called "6.6.6" had, for twenty years, been gathering the world's powerful to establish the New World Order and control the minds of individuals.


my direct answer would be


he said a Masonic group called "6.6.6" had, for twenty years, been gathering the world's powerful to establish the New World Order and control the minds of individuals.



You list various things you believe to be psy ops that "interest" you, which seems to be your evasive way of saying you believe in them, so overall is it fair to say the above example is another theoretical psy op that "interests" you? I assume that the dude who created it is an anti-Semite is of no concern to you? Correct?

Feel free to answer these questions with questions if you prefer to avoid answering them directly.

You only asked this one question. It would be a concern to me though. I'm trying to find a pdf to download to find out.
Normally the masons are considered a Christian group though.

With UFOs in particular and especially with what is happening, a psy-op I would think should be one of the first things that people should consider.

Like you have to consider the non-psy-op alternatives. What are they? That it's all real? Or just a bunch of Navy pilot grifters with some help from Harry Reid?

Ideally I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but your question is very valid. I had never heard of this guy yet was able to find this out in two seconds simply by googling "project bluebeam", so I find it rather incredulous that LB hasn't done the same, considering he brought up bluebeam to begin with.

That said, he seems to be simply ignoring any and all evidence that's been pt forth itt that disproves his claims, so it wouldn't suprise me if he would ignore any unpalatable or unsavoury aspects of his sources either, long as he believes the same specific CT re bluebeam/pushing disinfo on the masses/whatevs.

Corpus,
No evidence has disputed my claimsm
You guys want to talk about Roswell like it disproves stuff I'm saying now about current events. It's sort of a joke.

I knew nothing at all about him nor had I heard of him before you brought up project bluebeam, yet was able to find what I linked about him in no time. I find it hard to believe you're aware of his specific bluebeam CT but aren't aware he used Protocols as a source after I found it out in the aforementioned no time, despite my having never heard of him before. Now again presently I think you simply ignore stuff for your own convenience but such a source is not a good look for you, seriously.

Why are you saying that he used that as a source other than the title or what wiki said?
He said it's a masonc group and the masons are nominally Christians.

No, it is the first thing a person like you who wants to believe in psy ops will always consider. A person who genuinely believes in Lizard People will always believe that Lizard People are the first thing to consider.

Its humans being human and a person cherry picking stuff among a ton of data to force a psy op narrative is a person cherry picking stuff to force a psy op narrative. Call me a believer of common sense, but a paranoid dude being paranoid is generally a paranoid dude being paranoid, nothing more. Your flavor of paranoia happens to be psy op, so it will always be your first option. That's all.

That has always been his operating model when he posts. Not everyone will be easy like that Qderp who with minimal prompting started going on about the Pope being arrested and a prison being built near the White House.

Lucky just happened to run into people more informed than him on this harmless niche topic (UFOs) that he chose to merge into his psy op riggieverse.

Monte,
Do you think UFOs are never going to go away or just disappear from discussion?

Do you think it's not reasonable to question what might be going on with UFOs?
Same question to CV.
Like literally it's happening now, where Navy pilots on 60 Minutes are saying they saw them everyday. We should take an agnostic approach to this?
I mean you can shame me with the psy-op stuff in other threads if you want but probably not in a UFO thread.

0 An absolute $hit ton of evidence has roundly debunked and disproved your claims, never mind "disputed."

You asserted something was amiss re MSM coverage and the pentagon releasing footage. This was disproved.

You asserted that this time around it was different This was also disproved.

Every vague example you gave was met with counter examples disproving your claims again.

That you keep insisting otherwise despite your claims being disproved several times over, is why you've had claims of cognitive dissonance leveled at you