Okay. So the Pentagon are putting out fake ufo vids deliberately.Have they created these fakes? Do MSM know? Why do you think they're doing this? For what purpose? And what evidence do you have to back this up?

Yes. This probably played a part in creating the Robertson panel in the early 50s which recommended debunking the phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_Panel

LB, it is good to see you are still fighting for your cause even after being stalked by that condescending slug from the internet poker threads. I believe our discussions have reached an impasse when we don’t agree who remains alive or dead in Portland or the Epstein matter. If they turn up alive down the road I will appear for your victory party for my serving of crow.

I assume I am the stalker you are suggesting which is odd since you are one of the people who did that to me in the riggie thread for a while, but if you are afraid to commit to that - I totally understand.

Lucky has lost his touch - he was always at his best when working with easy opponents like you, so I completely understand why he is genuinely happy to see you back. He does not fare as well vs people who can put some tricky points to him, and especially those who have a lot more genuine experience in whatever derp thing he tries to weave into his little manifesto, in this case UFOs.

Was always fun watching him smack you around, so hopefully you will do that role more in future . Welcome back!

All the best.

Trumpderp money....Lizard people......bonus whoring....we have heard it all before. You are a broken record. Just slither back to your riggie world.

That thread is dead. Even weird void stalkers like you never show up any more, and in the end Trumpderps paid the bills way more than online poker riggies - so as they say - follow the money! That is the one thing all the points you make about me have in common, except Lizard People - which I am still upset the thread about them got locked here, but unpaid mods (that should be paid) have the right to do whatever they want in these dusty forums.

Anyway, welcome back - Lucky will literally love having you as a foil again, so do your job appropriately as that was actually entertaining. He has not done as well in this thread, so it is needed.

All the best.

All that trumpderp money and still no one wants to engage with you. I don’t know why lamenting LBs interactions with you is being interpreted as a desire to hear more of your verbal diarrhea. #sad

Shrug, I will just have to find a way to just live with all the Trumpderp money and Lucky not responding to all my posts (which I have told him is his best play). Guess that is a dilemma you will not have to endure . You definitely put me in my place as well as you can, which again explains why Lucky is literally thrilled to see you back. He will always respond to your posts to him. Maybe you should do the math on that eventually...

All the best.

I am still astounded by the degree of the cognitive dissonance one must accept to say this...

which is based on his (wrong) opinion that prior gov'ts have not done this and when confronted with all sorts of examples throughout history proving, they have in fact 'done that', to then follow that up with...

Within the same post!

It makes one wonder if the types of people drawn to CT's actually believe what they need to accept to perpetuate it or if they are just trying to convince themselves they do.

@57 my apologies, I hadn't clicked on your link before commenting and hadn't realised you had already highlighted the Robertson panel, my bad.

That's all right. It is quite an informative link, I think.

It is, I've been going through it and it gives a relevant sense of context to things.

I still doubt you understand much of what I've said here.
Apologies for neglecting this thread some but if I'll try to return to it some point later and catch up on whatever I missed that was directed to me.

This is one of the most credible UFO sightings you can't deny this.

That one was posted and denied

All these years and the best videos are still grainy videos from thermal cameras.

Here's a link to a debunking: That Navy UFO Footage Has an Optical Explanation
But I don't understand it all. I would assume the Pentagon knows it's bogus. MSM is pretty broad. Probably some do some don't.
I can't say about purpose because I don't know. Is your stance agnostic on them?

https://youtu.be/Q7jcBGLIpus

Another video I think from the same guy that tries to debunk the various navy videos.

Again, The Pentagon are releasing footage and info because they have to, so they're simply going to do what they're mandated to. MSM use the topic as filler imo.

My stance re some UFO's being Alien spacecraft is Agnostic (purely because it's an extraordinarily unlikely possibility but a possibility technically, nonetheless), but leaning pretty strongly toward skepticism. As someone who studied the phenomenon for several years, I think Blade nailed it with his "blue balls" comment. Every potential revelation, regardless of how impressive it sounds/looks superficially, turns out to be a nothing burger.

Despite the extraordinary claims, there's never any back up evidence to support the ET hypothesis.

So again while technically Agnostic, I lean strongly toward skepticism.

So one thing to bear in mind is that if you tell someone how cold reading works, and then they see a psychic who doesn't do it that way, they go "Ha! He must be the real deal after all!" even though it's probably Peter Popov getting info through an ear piece instead.

The Pentagon have cleared it for declassification which means they don't care about you seeing the footage. But there's usually going to be multiple plausible explanations, or an explanation that's highly likely but inconclusive.

If the Pentagon go through each video and say this one is X, this one is Y, then you'd better believe that people will have an absolute field day by shouting out about any doubt over the "official" line. Better to just release it and make no comment.

It's funny because one of those Pentagon videos that people are crazy over, where this UFO makes an incredible manoeuvre, you can literally read the angle of the camera change. As in, it's a camera twitch while the object maintains a steady flight. That's the kind of utter crap in those news stories that people then say "You can't deny that".

Bladesman,

Your posts as a genuine UFO person (a former believer turned skeptic) have been the interesting ones to read in this thread, but you are having a completely different discussion about the topic than Lucky, as he could care less about the alien side and just wants UFOs to be part of his secrete elite whatever controlling the masses belief structure.

That does make me wonder a bit of the dynamic between the genuine UFO believers (as you once were) and the imposters who use UFOs to forward their own conspiracy agenda. When you were going down the rabbit hole in the past as you mentioned - did you see this dynamic much, and if so - how did the genuine UFO people (who wanted to believe in aliens and perhaps the government hiding aliens) deal with the fake UFO people who just wanted to use UFOs to push their personal manifestos (that often times ignored aliens). Was there any divide between those groups? Did pure UFO people look down on the fakes, or did they accept them because the fakes still help talk about the topic in general, like we see in this thread.

Thanks in advance.

So he's debunking the tic toc incident. Not sure how but ill check it out later.

The tic toc video, (tic tac because ufo looks like a giant tic tac) is one of the least compelling anyways according to this ex intelligence guy.




And the tic toc guy isn't the only guy who quit his job to tell people about UFOS. There are a lot ex cia, FBI, astronauts, or jet pilots who saw "stuff" nobody can understand, and they know what they saw.

And all you guys say it's all nothingburgers.

How can you deny it? The guy is going around the country and tells people what he saw. He was a decorated " top gun " pilot.

Option 1: he's crazy

Option 2: it's legit

I'm not sure I was ever a true believer. I had my suspicions though and I was fascinated, but I probably would've done this exact same thing of if you tried to tie me to any [i]particular[i/] belief then I'd have backed off and said "No, no, I'm not convinced of that but in relation to all these other things I've got to be on to something.

I'd hazard a guess and say most people are like that. It's how we form a lot of beliefs. We see patterns, we see the things that can't be explained, we have genuine reason to be sceptical of official narratives, we draw conclusions from inconclusive datasets.

Most people buy into some conspiracy at least a little bit. So most people in those groups are, outside of their pet CT, completely normal people. It's not unusual to find someone who has spent a ton of time reading on the Kennedy assassination but has no other weird beliefs. Or what we've seen over Epstein (not taking a position either way on that for this thread's sake). Or climate change sceptics. For the most part it's normal people.

Honestly, I wouldn't say it's a whole lot different to any other forum. There's a whole gamut of opinions, the bulk are somewhere broadly in the middle, and then tendencies further to each extreme. The difference is that the topics are bizarre in comparison. And, just like on here, getting anyone to actually their opinion is far from likely no matter how clear you think your reasoning is.

We live in a world where the US government once tried mind control experiments on people and then developed technology to strike people with drones. The Russians are poisoning journalists on British soil. Conspiracies really exist. It's tempting to dismiss people as crazy but people come to false beliefs all the time (see all those mutually exclusive religions, or the vast array of political ideologies). Conspiracy theories can be pretty crazy but you don't need to be crazy to buy into one.

As for Lucky, all I'm trying to get him to see is that he wants to say something is "diferent" but that's a statement that can only have any meaning as a comparison to something else. But he doesn't even know what he wants to compare and he certainly doesn't have any idea of the past to compare it to. In terms of whether I think it makes him stupid or crazy, it doesn't. He's had his lizard brain activated and now he's deeply suspicious, and it can be very difficult to shake that off.

Option 3: he's lying