So you think Rubio is telling the truth?
Going to bat for Rubio on UFOs isn't really a take I expected to see from you honestly.

So can you tell us more about the shadow people who are secretly controlling the media and guys like Rubio?

You can read either the Luckbox vs Media thread or the Epstein thread to find my bigger picture views on media and conspiracy.
Do you think Rubio is telling the truth though? That's the issue here.

How about if you try actually answering the question?

It looks like you'll still be able to troll this thread mercilessly so it'll probably be best if I just ignored you from this point forward in here. You can still talk to me in other threads if you want.

So can you tell us more about the shadow people who are secretly controlling the media and guys like Rubio?

I am assuming you watched the video that CV (I think it was him) posted explaining some of these things that "defy our understanding" being finally explained?

I had seen numerous people and tv news segments and 'experts' on tv talking about those movements as 'not something we understand or our tech can achieve' only to then see the video's CV posted showing them recreate and explain how it is a trick of perspective and light and angle.

Over enough years how much such 'tricks' do you think we would have to see, that are not explained until they are, to seed this type of belief?

I didn't watch anything that was posted in this thread but I've seen some videos that are as you're describing it.
But I'm not sure I follow your question. To seed what type of belief? The one that Rubio has? At least a few I assume.

I don't know what the point is in you constantly trying to take this thread off into an "everyone's talking about UFOs like never before" direction if you don't want to discuss why you believe that's so.

Yes the belief that because there are things 'even we cannot explain' which look like speeds or changes in direction, etc, that it seems a little bit more ominous than just an 'unidentified flying object' and perhaps should be called a 'unidentified flying object defying physics as we understand it' that leads people to put an extra layer of credibility on their belief/doubt.

And then science explains it a long time later but no one sees it (as I had not until CV posted it) and cut paste repeat, as you begin to believe there are so many weird unexplained things it might well be credible.

Heck I was one of those people who gave that exact video CV showed explaining things a lot more credibility in the 'ok maybe it is intelligent life' as I had seen so many news programs focusing on it with pundits and scientists saying 'we have no explanation'. And now I know that example is almost certainly normal phenomena.

It sounded like Rubio just said that there is some flying **** out there that doesn't match US technology. He actually said that maybe it could be explained away or that it is a foreign adversary but we need to look into it. I agree. I don't hold Rubio at a very high standard for explaining US tech and aviation.

The "everyone is talking about them like never before" isn't really an opinion-- it's something that's apparent just from observing the news.
There is no reason why that observation can't be made without any sort of preconceptions that go along with it. I do have some preconceptions and I have talked about them some, except I also have no idea what is going to happen. This report that’s due out next month could be and probably will be a complete dud. I'm guessing it's like 70/30 a dud. So all we can do is now sit back and wait.
But certainly I think people should discuss whatever aspects of this they want here so it isn't my intention to keep steering the discussion in a specific direction. It's just that I've mostly said everything I have to say here-- which is "hey, what's up with this?" [Which is all I ever wanted to say two years ago when I first posted about this in the Epstein thread], and I've learned some things about Robert Bigelow and his connection and some of the other people involved in pushing this in the course of this thread but now we wait. If it ends up being nothing here we can blame it all on Harry Reid and move along.

Lucky doesn’t ever think his crackpot theories past step one, so he’s not going to ever explain what the point of all this is.

You are free to propose your own ideas if you want.

It’s Vlad: Former senator says ‘no question’ UFOs buzzing US warships are from Russia
Reid blaming the Russians.

Former US Senator Harry Reid believes that Russians are the force behind a spate of mysterious incidents in which Unidentified Flying Objects have harassed US military members off the coast of California.

Mr Reid sat down for an interview this week with Mysterywire.com, a website focused on paranormal topics. The interviewer, veteran journalist and long-time Coast to Coast AM guest host George Knapp, suggested the UFOs could be Chinese in origin, but the former senator disagreed.
"Always remember, Russia, the former Soviet Union, is run by a man who ran the KGB. They had as many as 30,000 agents at one time, KGB agents. So, Russia's involved in this, no question about it," Mr Reid said

Interesting interview with Lt. Cmdr. Chad Underwood, which corroborates the pilot David Fravor's account. Both men comment that the lack of propulsion, maneuvering and speed of the tic tac object far exceeds our current understanding of science. Remember the earliest of these videos dates from 2004.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPXFcFyZma0

An interesting entry on Wikipedia, which has a section, which goes over potential explanations.. from a trick of the light to the Russia/China theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

The answer doesn't change much. You realise that there are people out there constantly hounding the government to come clean about some conspiracy, right? With UFOs there are people speculating, writing to politicians, making freedom of information request upon request upon request. Every now and then the government goes "I guess it's time we can release a bunch of this crap". Some of that crap that is released then leads to a ton of speculation from the conspiracy theorists, a few news outlets see a good story in talking about UFOs, maybe a politician or two takes the opportunity to get their name out there by demanding further investigation (politicians love to demand investigations or that a subject be taken "seriously" because it has all the appearance of doing something without needing to do anything, it doesn't even need to end in an actual investigation), and people like you sit and go "Hmmm, something seems different this time, there's got to be something to it".

But when actually pressed on whether you think there's anything remotely interesting going to come out...nope, you don't even think that.

Edit: If you think about the Rubio clip, is there any better way to appeal to Alex Jones and other conspiracy fans without actually having to commit to any of the whacky ideas? Rubio gets his face on TV without needing to defend anything, he gets to promote an unobjectionable idea like "we should look into this" (as if they aren't already), and make himself sympathetic to conspiracy theorists who otherwise are difficult to appeal to.

Or Rubio knows something he's not letting on.

My theory is that alien UFO fluff stories have been circulating in the media for decades because it's a quick and easy to attract eyeballs.

What's your theory? Why are the Illuminati who control Rubio and the media trying to push UFO stuff?

I think your theory is dumb because this is coming from senators/former senators and is being spurred by official government actions.
It doesn't mean that UFO fluff hasn't long been out there but this is qualitatively different.

Remember I pointed out Project Bluebook? Government officials have been commenting on this since the 50's.

I remember a lot of hoopla about Kucinich and Hillary Clinton talking about UFO stuff in the days of yesteryear. Today is obviously not quantifiable different from previous decades, but Lucky's mind is stuck on reinforcing his own conspiraderp and no evidence will change that.

I get you believe that but I and it seems everyone else commenting in this thread, including CV who tends to be more partial to you, and who seems well read on this topic, does not agree with you.

So again we seem to be at a place where you are on one side but insist it is everyone else who is wrong and will not let go of that.

I am curious if you recognize that pattern?

It's literally impossible that I'm wrong here though. It's not really a matter of opinion.
If people want to cite interviews on mainstream news with sitting senators about UFOs in 2000, or 1990 or whatever then I'll reassess that.
Me arguing that this is different vs everyone else arguing that it is the same just means everyone else in this instance is wrong. What we're seeing now is a trend that is qualitatively different on UFOs than in prior times that goes back to the December 2017 NYT article.

If the govt is just saying - and they kind of are, that the UFO's could just be Chinese/Russian drone type machinery would that still be interesting to you? What is the odds iyo, that the senators believe that it's from another planet? What odds do you put it at?

It is not 'literally impossible' that you could be wrong there.

It is absolutely "a matter of opinion'.

Many people in this thread disagreeing with your take as an over interpretation of the evidence is proof of that.

CV (and others) has already cited a significant amount of data to show that, in their opinion, this is not unique. You guys can debate that but you are nothing resembling factually correct simply because you agree with your subjective conclusion.