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Old Yesterday, 08:31 PM   #251
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Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Now that story is definitely something. Perhaps Lucky is doing a fake psy op thing with the UFOs to distract from the what is happening.
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Old Yesterday, 08:36 PM   #252
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The Vicious Circle: A small group of dedicated advocates helps to drive each cycle of media coverage and government action surrounding military involvement with UFOs.
Interesting substack piece here that would seem to shed some light on what is happening.
the UFO investigative office he [Elizondo] worked for hadnít been established by the Pentagon itself but was instead created by Congressóby Sens. Harry Reid and Ted Stevens, UFO fans in ultrawealthy UFO fan Bob Bigelowís orbit. This strongly suggests that the military wasnít terribly interested in UFOs but that Congressional appropriation of, basically, $22 million for Bigelow to hunt demons, goblins, and aliens on Skinwalker Ranch led to an office to oversee the contract.
Bob Bigelow is the founder of Budget Suites of America, which is not a very large chain at all, but apparently he made a ton of money in real estate. And it's reported that he is the impetus behind the creation of AATIP-- the advanced aerospace threat identification program.
The substack piece sums it up like this:
Itís all rather ingenious, really, though perhaps not fully intentional. The Bigelow circle, and those adjacent to them in TTSA, generated UFO hysteria by leaking alleged Pentagon UFO videos and sweet-talking their way into the New York Times through receptive journalists like John Mack acolyte Ralph Blumenthal and abduction researcher Budd Hopkinsí ex-girlfriend, UFO disclosure advocate Leslie Kean, later a member of the Bigelow Institute board of directors. Then, the Times story generated outrage among the soft-minded in Congress, who met with TTSA officials, particularly Mellon, and became receptive to their lobbying for a UFO report. Congress duly authorized TTSAís wish-list, and this in turn sparked more media coverage in elite publications, which carefully omitted questionable parts of UFO advocatesí pasts. The news reports created still more Congressional outrage, with each step further legitimizing UFOs as a subject for serious minds. Itís a classic propaganda campaign.
This can't be the whole story though because it doesn't make full sense. Wealthy patronage I don't think is enough to explain everything, like why aristocrats like Mellon and Kean are involved themselves, or why someone like Rubio is putting himself out there on this. And there's the question of what the end game is for these people? Is it just to throw money at UFO research? Or for self-aggrandizement? Or because they're true believers? There's not really an explanation of what the propaganda is for in this piece so a big chunk of a picture is still missing in that respect.
*Bigelow net worth estimated to be around 1 billion USD.

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Old Yesterday, 08:53 PM   #253
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Yeah, it certainly can't be something simple like some nutjobs that happen to have some money try to get some political benefit for their crazy and find a few people in the government who share aspects of their interest in crazy to help fund it. That never happens with humans in government. Much more likely story is that super advanced aliens have allowed themselves to remain a secret for no logical reason, except for all the tons of people who would know about it, and be able to prove it. Fortunately they, like the advanced aliens, never talk.

Keep us updated with your research. This, as has been said before, is a very important topic for you to stay on. The Lizard People (with their much bigger growth in interest numbers lately) can wait until you are ready, since they aint going anywhere.

All the best.
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Yeah, it certainly can't be something simple like some nutjobs that happen to have some money try to get some political benefit for their crazy and find a few people in the government who share aspects of their interest in crazy to help fund it. That never happens with humans in government. Much more likely story is that super advanced aliens have allowed themselves to remain a secret for no logical reason, except for all the tons of people who would know about it, and be able to prove it. Fortunately they, like the advanced aliens, never talk.



Keep us updated with your research. This, as has been said before, is a very important topic for you to stay on. The Lizard People (with their much bigger growth in interest numbers lately) can wait until you are ready, since they aint going anywhere.



All the best.
Are you going to respond to every post I make in this thread in your typical style?
My intention here has been to understand what is going on with what we're seeing in media and government in regards to UFOs, and I'm further along there than I was when I started.
Your douchebaggy posts aren't helping though. Perhaps if you considered shutting the **** up some, I'd be able to get it figured out sooner and stop the posting in here that bothers you so much. Have you considered that?
Like I do get that you have the intellectual curiosity of a house cat, but perhaps you could let me be some?
I should add that it's great that thanks to the things that I've posted, that you think you've got this all figured out.

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It is charming that you consider your research into this a form of intellectual curiosity. That makes it sound like a much healthier and positive process. In the end it is fluff, but one thing we genuinely agree on (as opposed to the routine you do where you impose agreement that does not exist) - is that you should continue your research on this critical topic, as it is an excellent use of your time. You do that "figuring it out" thing.

If you are incapable of continuing this vital research because of what others are saying to you on the internet in a poker forum - well, my suggestion would be when you have some off time from the UFO hunt you consider discovering a way to carry on with your important work without concern about what others have to say, especially given your general track record of ideas and positions, since, you know, they pretty much are the worst. Genuine advice, and as always I hope it helped.

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Old Yesterday, 09:17 PM   #256
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It is charming that you consider your research into this a form of intellectual curiosity. That makes it sound like a much healthier and positive process. In the end it is fluff, but one thing we genuinely agree on (as opposed to the routine you do where you impose agreement that does not exist) - is that you should continue your research on this critical topic, as it is an excellent use of your time.



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What is your issue with the things that I've posted in this thread? I asked the same question to Trolly earlier. Where is it that you think I've gone wrong?
Is it considering this to be propaganda instead of fluff? Is that what our fundamental disagreement here is?
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Old Yesterday, 09:24 PM   #257
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The heck was going on late last December?

Doing your homework for you: Feds probing whether Nashville bomber believed in lizard people conspiracy
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What is your issue with the things that I've posted in this thread? I asked the same question to Trolly earlier. Where is it that you think I've gone wrong?
Is it considering this to be propaganda instead of fluff? Is that what our fundamental disagreement here is?

I am glad you asked, because I certainly have never said this before.

You lie all the time. You have horrid, paranoid, conspiracyderp beliefs about all sorts of topics, with this one happening to be a harmless fluff one, so the horribleness of your views is mitigated by your choice of a LOLnothing topic in this case.

Still, given that you lie and misrepresent everything all the time, and many times those are topics that are less fluffy than UFOs - it is always a good thing to point out what you are, even though by now most people are quite aware of it.

As I have said before, I have no problem with this issue, mainly because it is a total nothingburger. I have a problem with how you inflict your conspiracyderp beliefs in general, so it is nice to help debunk that process when possible, and when it is a total fluff topic like UFOs which for some reason will consume a ton of your time - hey, a nice bonus because the topic itself is irrelevant in that case.

Hope that explained it to you again, but if you need to ask me more times what my specific issue is with UFOs then go for it. In the meantime, go back to your work to figure all this stuff out and such.

As for your Nashville bombing Lizard People connection - are you really going to buy into that explanation when there is likely something behind it. You should research that when done with the UFOs, because it cannot be what it seems, since nothing is what it seems or something.

All the best.
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I am glad you asked, because I certainly have never said this before.

You lie all the time. You have horrid, paranoid, conspiracyderp beliefs about all sorts of topics, with this one happening to be a harmless fluff one, so the horribleness of your views is mitigated by your choice of a LOLnothing topic in this case.

Still, given that you lie and misrepresent everything all the time, and many times those are topics that are less fluffy than UFOs - it is always a good thing to point out what you are, even though by now most people are quite aware of it.

As I have said before, I have no problem with this issue, mainly because it is a total nothingburger. I have a problem with how you inflict your conspiracyderp beliefs in general, so it is nice to help debunk that process when possible, and when it is a total fluff topic like UFOs which for some reason will consume a ton of your time - hey, a nice bonus because the topic itself is irrelevant in that case.

Hope that explained it to you again, but if you need to ask me more times what my specific issue is with UFOs then go for it. In the meantime, go back to your work to figure all this stuff out and such.

As for your Nashville bombing Lizard People connection - are you really going to buy into that explanation when there is likely something behind it. You should research that when done with the UFOs, because it cannot be what it seems, since nothing is what it seems or something.

All the best.
So to be clear: your issue with me here is not actually anything that I've posted in this thread, and you're trolling me here because of things that I've posted in other threads?
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Re: US intelligence agencies ordered to declassify UFO intel.

Luck box,
Both of those things can be true. UFOs just means unidentified flying objects. All the ufos that we have seen could be man made and at the same time it’s likely aliens exist somewhere millions of light years away.
At the same time certain people can be using aliens to make money or to circulate stories for whatever reason. I tend to think you’re on to something.

I also think that there are people who want aliens to be real or to at least seem real to promote genetic engineering.
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UFO speculation boomed in the 1940ís because due to rapid tech advances during ww2 that is when people saw the most UFOs.
It's pretty tough not to see a connection between the rise of ufos alongside tech advances. Kinda funny how a lot of it matches the various eras style wise. I guess it's possible aliens showed up in some '40s beater tech back in the day

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Definitely a group of usual suspects with lots of overlap between them that all seem to pop up around/driving ufo news stuff. One of the Kean interviews I was watching earlier was an interview where she was judging some random fiction competition the Bigelow dude was having. That dude is definitely in the mix somehow.
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UFOs just means unidentified flying objects. All the ufos that we have seen could be man made and at the same time itís likely aliens exist somewhere millions of light years away.
Aliens potentially existing millions of light years away that we will never be able to prove exist is not really the basis of the narrative of the conspiracy crowd. Obviously sheer math will favor life existing somewhere else in the universe, but life that has come here and killed cows and jammed rods up people's asses would have more proof of their existence by now, likely because they would not care if they were known.

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At the same time certain people can be using aliens to make money or to circulate stories for whatever reason. I tend to think youíre on to something.
Not sure his point is that people will want to monetize aliens. If so, he should have simply said that and people have monetized aliens and a whole lot of other things for a long, long time. People monetized beanie babies for a while when they became popular, and some of them look like aliens.

I would say that the target market of those who want to believe in anal probing aliens will have different needs than those who purchase beanie babies, so how they get marketed to would be more in line with stuff that appeals to the paranoid crowd, and some of that may very well be the click-bait fluff pieces that pop up at times.
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It sounds like you're more versed in UFO stuff than I am-- as all the attitudes around Project Bluebook and what was said and who was saying it, I do not know.
Although if you want to make the argument that this has been a long con then that would be one I'd be receptive towards. But without knowing the ins and outs of the points your making regarding the history here, I'm pretty skeptical that the positions being taken now are too similar to what they have been historically and would want to see some citations there.
I do understand your attitude here though even without that, but still fail to see how people can't see that we're in unprecedented territory here. There has never been a time in any of our lives where this topic has received the sort of attention from high places that it is receiving now. The "wake me up when something actually happens" is still an ok attitude to have, but my interest is less on UFOs and more about government/media propaganda.
Also, we shouldn't focus on any one individual. This isn't Marco Rubio doing all of this by himself. There are lots of players involved and you can't just treat Rubio's comments in a vacuum.
I went through a conspiracy phase in my teens, and I've argued with conspiracy theorists a bit in the past, so I'm not well versed by any means but I've read my share. This is all stuff I remember from way back, expect errors on my part.

Still, I don't know how far down the pipeline you are but give Project Bluebook a quick google, skim the wiki. It's one of those things that's interesting even if you buy into none of it. It was the first project in the US to specifically identify UFOs. It came under a lot of scrutiny, and over time bits and pieces became publicly available (with some redactions as to specifics).

The thing about it was that it came under intense scrutiny. There were panels of scientists built to discuss it and it set the benchmark for policy on investigation and managing the public. If I remember rightly, they decided to keep quiet because even the mention of "We saw a thing and we don't know what it was" caused significant public stir. But the thing about it is this, it came under a lot of scrutiny from all angles: whether it was biased, whether it was open, whether it was a cover-up of a cover-up etc. All the things you're saying are "different" this time have been said before.

Also, of all the documents released over a significant timeframe, none of them contained anything that interesting. Plenty of stuff for people to read into, plenty to speculate, but nothing to actually confirm anything exciting. The only saving grace was that the project "failed" in one sense; it failed to explain all of the phenomena investigated. That's what people have been clinging on to since then, that's there's still some unexplained stuff and one of those might just be the one. No reason to think any of them are, but just maybe.

I know what it's like to get hooked on these things. Unsolved mysteries are fascinating. I've been on the brink of some pretty wild theories. That's why I'm not getting condescending or insulting. The reason I fell away from the world of conspiracy theories is that either you have to buy into some crazy premise and fall into a whole mess of bizarre beliefs, or you get constantly blue-balled while waiting for the reveal that never comes.

On the plus side, there's no end of genuine shady s*** that governments around the world have actually been into. From MK Ultra and COINTELPRO in the States to Japan denying Unit 731. And governments today are definitely up to things we don't think they should be up to. I'll still bet my savings against anything good happening on the UFO front any time soon.
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No question that governments have done some pretty dirty stuff, and continue to do it, and one quasi conspiracy I would agree with is that at times they might toss out stuff to feed/distract the conspiracyderp crowd.

Running some secret tests on new equipment. Put out something cryptic about UFOs if it gets seen. Why not - it has a bunch of benefits including:

1) Trolling conspiracyderps

2) Getting conspiracyderps talking about UFOs instead of the real project

3) If any of the real dirty stuff you do is uncovered properly by a conspiracyderp that reporting is easily dismissed given the derp's past ramblings about UFOs, flat earth, Mandela effects, Bigfoot, Moon landings, 9/11 etc.

4) Others will work out ways to monetize these stories to appeal to and extract money from the derps, and in doing so they help build the distraction narrative, albeit for their own personal gain.

Best part is if later on it comes out that false info was tossed to the derps for these purposes then the derps will repackage even that as part of their conspiracy, so it almost works like an ongoing reward system! Essentially it has built in derpback.
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Anyone know anything about this documentary: Mirage Men? CV perhaps?
Mirage Men is about how the US government used mythology to cover up their advanced technology. It prominently features Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation.[3]Mark Pilkington's book about the project, also called Mirage Men, was published in 2010 by Constable & Robinson.[4]
This was one of the possible ideas I threw out yesterday or the day before here.
I've never heard of the documentary but I'm somewhat aware of Doty. As I mentioned earlier he spread disinformation to journalists & UFO researchers. Re the Bennowitz affair, it was to protect secret AFOSI research that Bennowitz stumbled across while ufo hunting and as linked, also very probably as a cover for secret aircraft test flights.
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Putting this thread on temporary lockdown. Reduce trolling when it opens, and also keep the most outlandish claims away.
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