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06-07-2022 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Over my head
Maybe the tinfoil is deflecting
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06-07-2022 , 11:13 AM
It's from Red Dwarf when one of them marvels how the ancient Egyptians could have moved "such massive massive stones". Lister's "massive massive whips" answer always cracks me up is all.
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06-07-2022 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLOL
I agree with some of what you said but totally disagree with this.
Voyager (the greatest space mission humanity has done so far) represented a type of optimism about space and human's relationship with the universe that was worthwhile.
The scientific 'juice' on the planetary flybys was enough to justify the missions (there is literally nobody who argues otherwise, was the most scientifically enlightening space mission on our own solar system humans have yet to do) but the end-of-mission objectives, about seeding the universe with at least some evidence allowing for the discovery of our existance at some point in the future, is good for the human spirit.

Watch this. Its crazy good.
https://www.pbs.org/video/the-farthe...-space-qpbu4y/

Carl Sagan was special.
I had to review one of Sagan's last books for the national press. You might want to check out 'Sagan's Paradox' regarding interstellar exploration by alien lifeforms, and his views on the extreme improbability of alien spacecraft visiting Earth during the tiny time-niche in which our own species exists. Voyager was an excellent project as regards our own local solar system. It's now gone, into the void and out of touch, effectively nowhere, and will never be detected or recognised by any other intelligence and has simply become debris.
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06-07-2022 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
It's from Red Dwarf when one of them marvels how the ancient Egyptians could have moved "such massive massive stones". Lister's "massive massive whips" answer always cracks me up is all.
It wasn't so much the whips as simply the size of the labour pool available to a strong and wealthy central authority. Bit like Stonehenge, whose bluestones were shifted to Salisbury Plain from the Preseli Mountains of Wales. All you need is a big enough labour force and the authority to command it and the wealth to pay for it. Look at Chartres and Notre Dame. Look at Ford's Willow Run plant mass-producing B-24 bombers during the Second World War.
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06-07-2022 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
It's now gone, into the void and out of touch, effectively nowhere, and will never be detected or recognised by any other intelligence and has simply become debris.
Well, you can't say "never".
An infinitesimally small chance, sure.
Also, our receiving contact within the existance of our species timeline is a totally fair observation. That was something addressed by Voyager, because it creates the possibilty (however absurdly remote) that our existance will one day be discovered, even if its long after we're gone.
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06-07-2022 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
I had to review one of Sagan's last books for the national press. You might want to check out 'Sagan's Paradox' regarding interstellar exploration by alien lifeforms, and his views on the extreme improbability of alien spacecraft visiting Earth during the tiny time-niche in which our own species exists. Voyager was an excellent project as regards our own local solar system. It's now gone, into the void and out of touch, effectively nowhere, and will never be detected or recognised by any other intelligence and has simply become debris.
It's starting to show probable glitches, was in the news a while back . It's basically being bombarded with radiation too.
https://www.space.com/voyager-1-telemetry-issue
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while Voyager 1 is still operating properly, scientists on the mission recently noticed that it appeared confused about its location in space without going into safe mode or otherwise sounding an alarm.
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06-08-2022 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Quantum entanglement allows for things to travel faster than light and this is a human understood phenomenon.

Given enough energy its possible to hypothesis an instant movement from any one point in space time to another.

Human understanding is more confined by how to produce the energy than how to produce the movement, though of course its confined by both.
This is a common misconception of QE.

When we entangle two particles (think, like two eggs), and we separate them over a distance, when I crack open my egg it will have the same results/info as when you crack open your egg. But that's it. There is zero 'communication' between the two. I can't proactively *send* you any data, I can only predict exactly what will be in your egg by breaking my egg. And then the fastest we can confirm each other's results is at the speed of light, but no quicker than that.

A practical use of this phenomena is that you could create utterly uncrackable cryptography from the precise same kernel reference point (both eggs, independently) that could in theory never be intercepted (because the original data was never techincally transmitted). But right now it's mainly just a mystery and doesn't suggest information or matter can traverse seamlessly between two points.
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06-08-2022 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
It's starting to show probable glitches, was in the news a while back . It's basically being bombarded with radiation too.
https://www.space.com/voyager-1-telemetry-issue
Over time, and not all that much time, radiation exposure in deep space becomes a very big issue.
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06-08-2022 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
This is a common misconception of QE.

When we entangle two particles (think, like two eggs), and we separate them over a distance, when I crack open my egg it will have the same results/info as when you crack open your egg. But that's it. There is zero 'communication' between the two. I can't proactively *send* you any data, I can only predict exactly what will be in your egg by breaking my egg. And then the fastest we can confirm each other's results is at the speed of light, but no quicker than that.

A practical use of this phenomena is that you could create utterly uncrackable cryptography from the precise same kernel reference point (both eggs, independently) that could in theory never be intercepted (because the original data was never techincally transmitted). But right now it's mainly just a mystery and doesn't suggest information or matter can traverse seamlessly between two points.
Information absolutely travels between two entangled particles, because you can change the state of one entangled particle and the other particle will react to that change immediately regardless of distance.
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06-08-2022 , 02:44 PM
Nope. You can't *change* the state of the particle. You break it (force it to choose a state). The other particle will have the same state when you break it. No information travelled between the two particles, they just collapse into identical states and we don't know why.
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06-08-2022 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Nope. You can't *change* the state of the particle. You break it (force it to choose a state). The other particle will have the same state when you break it. No information travelled between the two particles, they just collapse into identical states and we don't know why.
You are right, I sometimes forget which version of the matrix I am in.

In the other one you can change the polarity of a particle from negative to positive and the other one will immediately switch as well, in the other matrix there is definitely a loltubes that says this. Definitely.
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06-08-2022 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Information absolutely travels between two entangled particles, because you can change the state of one entangled particle and the other particle will react to that change immediately regardless of distance.
This is really only true if you demand a strictly local theory, that while seemingly reasonable, does not appear to be the way quantum mechanics works. But even with this bending of locality, information transmission still remains strictly local for the reasons already explained; you can only measure the state, you cannot force it to be (say) spin up without destroying the entanglement.
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06-09-2022 , 06:47 PM
NASA annouced a new 9 month study for 'gathering data' about UAP today:



Audio if anyone's interested: https://youtu.be/HkPDHmc7XcQ

Some of the responses to the questions kinda interesting. They seem to be taking it somewhat seriously rather than exclusively trying to mop up the mess made my the DoD
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06-15-2022 , 04:10 PM
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06-15-2022 , 04:54 PM
that's not a telescope that's a wok.
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06-15-2022 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
that's not a telescope that's a wok.
Well played
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06-16-2022 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Well played
thanks brah
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06-17-2022 , 05:43 AM
We should cook a gigantic welcome-back meal for Elvis in that Wok!
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02-01-2023 , 10:32 AM
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02-01-2023 , 01:16 PM
I'm suppose to listen to some guy who can't afford indoor heating?
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02-02-2023 , 03:29 PM
It's quite interesting how, as formal knowledge evolved and the standard for evidence was raised, we virtually stopped documenting phenomena such as miracles but UAP (UFO's) became even more common.

Last edited by ShoeMakerLevy9; 02-02-2023 at 03:34 PM.
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02-02-2023 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoeMakerLevy9
It's quite interesting how, as formal knowledge evolved and the standard for evidence was raised, we virtually stopped documenting phenomena such as miracles but UAP (UFO's) became even more common.


It's definitely a Western thing.
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02-02-2023 , 05:22 PM
That's an interesting graphic, Luck. But I'm not sure how they gathered that information. Can we trust countries like China or Russia reporting UAP? Many parts of Africa are populated by people who live isolated or semi-isolated and would never share such encounters with the people who did this research. Regarding other countries like India or Pakistan I think technology plays a huge role there. But, if technology were the only explanation Russia should be red -lol- and it isn't; then again, I think the reason for that is us not knowing how transparent they are when people report UAP. I think there are many reasons to believe Russia -let alone China- wouldn't be transparent.
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02-02-2023 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoeMakerLevy9
It's quite interesting how, as formal knowledge evolved and the standard for evidence was raised, we virtually stopped documenting phenomena such as miracles but UAP (UFO's) became even more common.
Simple answer is one is real one isn't.
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