One question I have is: do you continue to deny that anything is happening at all vis-a-vis UFOs/media/propaganda?

You say it's articulated to death, but this doesn't mesh with you also telling me a few posts back that I still fail to understand it. It doesn't seem like anyone does.

I think what you're saying is that the sheer weight and/or prominence of stories, coupled with the kinds of people weighing in on the issue, points that there is some truth bubbling beneath the surface (for example, an attempt to prepare the public for some shocking/worrisome truth, or to propagandise people to accept funneling money to the military). Whenever I've tried to drill into anything more than this you retreat back into a position of "No, I'm not saying that but it is something".

I studied philosophy for a while at uni so I have a passing knowledge on some stuff. It's been an interest of mine since then. Certainly no expert or anything and expect me to get shown up by people who know more.

"Anything" is pretty broad. I don't deny that there are in fact some UFO stories in the media. I don't deny that Rubio has used it to get himself a platform. But do I think it's pointing to anything beyond the trivial? No.

This is why I said "even with your Tucker Carlson mishap"


I don't think there is truth behind this. That's something that I've made clear so on that you're just mistaken. Otherwise what you're saying is accurate: that I think what we're seeing is propaganda for purposes that are difficult to ascertain given our position on the outside looking in.
I have also argued that the media is approaching UFOs differently in the past, to which you've argued against me with what amounts to a series of whataboutisms about prior UFO propaganda.
But the fundamental difference in our views is that you think nothing [different] is happening and I think something [different] is happening. I do get that that's a vague argument although I also feel like you're not really giving much in your continued insistence that I state things in some formulaic fashion. Idk. I'm content to just keep posting evidence [e.g. stuff from media] and wait to see what the report brings.
Given the hype I might up my percentages of it being something a bit more up to 65/35 from 70/30.


The Gettier stuff is interesting and I should read more on it beyond the wiki.

What do you mean by “anything is happening?” Things are obviously happening.

Oh man, you are bringing back memories.

Back in the Rotten Tomatoes Forum days when the CTers invaded I used to drive one flat earther nuts.

I would simply pose a question like,

'You can have 2 planes depart any location (example NYC) and fly East (Dubai route) and West (Hawaii) route until you arrive in a common area (CHina).

Explain how 2 Planes departing the same central point ('0') flying Opposite directions <------ 0 --------> can end up at the same end point?

He would have wave, mention 'the planet as a spinning plate' or 'some form of collusion between airlines and pilots to fly the wrong way but then double back' but then try to move on, as if answered, and i would just keep hitting him with it.

I know, I know, everyone here is shocked I could be persistent.

The flat earther here (before he was banned) talked about a huge wall on the edges, though he could not explain why no photos existed of the huge wall. Was indeed fun when he let loose with his special beliefs.

lol, flat earthers are seriously funny. That with the 2 planes is a very good way to discredit one of them.

I would show any flat earther this video, and then ask him what the heck do you see here? Does this look like a flat earth??!






This is actual footage of cosmonaut Ivan Vagner taken from the ISS. Any flat earthling will not be able to explain the curvature of the earth. So this might heal him, although I doubt it. They are really stubborn. He might become an ufologist when he sees this though.

this is the article to his incident: https://globalnews.ca/news/7288263/i...a-ivan-vagner/

Yes, I have seen all the presentations of the boundary wall around flat earth and arguments about lens distortions and horizon optical tricks making you 'perceive' a round earth.

They have many 'canned' responses for any thing thrown at them. Not sensical responses but canned and repeated.

The only one I have not yet seen explained is my presented scenario of how two planes can take off from the same location flying in completely opposite directions and yet end at the same place.

The one of 'pilot plots a circuitous trajectory (thus does a wide turn around)' could not cut it as it then required Pilots and Airlines to be complicit and wasting time and money purposely flying the wrong way before doubling back. Which begged the question 'WHY?'

The 2 planes is very good. Although flat earthers are professiinal liars and reality twisters. Cuepee did you know this? She says 20-30% maybe even 50% believe in this? Could this be?

The earth is not flat guys! It just isn't! Lol

Okay, this but it just takes us back to me asking you what that "something" is and trying to get you to give the kind of things that would compel anyone to agree. Just posting more stories doesn't cut it. Examples of such stories in the past isn't "whataboutism" it's exactly the very thing that you're supposed to be making a comparison to. I'm going to ask you again, what does "different" even mean if there's no frame of reference?


Easiest example is this:
You drive past a field and see what looks like a sheep, so you think "I believe there's a sheep in that field because I saw one". This means you believe there's a sheep, and seem to have a good reason to believe it.
In reality what you saw was actually a cardboard cutout of a sheep, not a sheep. It also turns out that over the hill where you couldn't see, there was an actual sheep in the field.
So you have a belief, a justification for it, and what you believe is true. Still though, it seems like a case of luck rather than something we'd think of as "knowledge".

That's the kind of position I think you'd probably end up in even if something happens that makes us say there really was something to your intuition. I do not think we can even get that far until you either make a prediction or attempt to use your position as an explanation for something.

I'm not quite sure why are there so many pages here as Luckbox doesn't actually believe aliens exist just that the UFO angle is being pushed by the media more so then usual and thinks it might come with a policy change of some sort or something to do with the report which seems totally reasonable.

You could argue that it was also strange how media was so positive about the governor Cuomo leading up to the election where Biden won and then quickly turned afterwards.

If the argument is that media is always 100% fair and that all the stories are totally normal. You should really get the New York Post.

The frame of reference in this case is our own lifetimes and experiences. Almost no one here was alive in 1947. Stuff about propaganda as it relates to Roswell is basically meaningless for what is happening now with UFOs. Project bluebook ended in 1969-- also basically meaningless.
"Different" in the case is as simple as saying that things have changed from 5 years ago, and this started with the December 2017 NYT article and continues to today.

Only two-thirds of American millennials believe the earth is round.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn...arth-is-round/

He says it is a psy op run by the secret ruling class to control the population. If you agree with that position then go for it. Others have suggested to him that it could just be a mundane policy change, but he rejects that, or assumes that is part of the psy op be the secret ruling class etc. etc.


Nobody thinks the media (on either side) is 100% fair, since humans gonna human. The argument is that - no, this is not a psy op by the secret ruling elite to control the masses in some nefarious manner.

Nothing is happening. It's just random background media noise of the usual US-only kind.

Yes

Nah. People aren't going crazy talking about it or jumping on the UFO train believing it, because the US government has no credibility on issues like this, but there has definitely been a shift in how it's being presented.

The whole "going from finge to mainstream news" is a real thing. Why people here are so intent on denying that is sort of amazing and probably worthy of its own separate study.
Bur there's a clip of Whoopi Goldberg discussing the 60 Minutes segment on The View

Are you referring specifically to the gov't change in posture around 'this', now that they are 'confirming this is real footage' to which my reply below fits as an easy answer...

or something else? As your "but there definitely been a shift" comment is making me want to pull out the George Carlin meme again to mock you with.

That’s literally the same footage from about a year or two ago.

Lots of things go from fringe to mainstream news and then go back to the fringe. Planking was a thing for a while. If it is something different then companies will figure out a way to market it to get more viewers. Welcome to mundane business? Your thing though is that this is some weird undefined psy op run by shadowy secret elites for unknown nefarious purposes. That is the LOLnonsense that is being dismissed, because everything to you is some secret psy op. Just think of how many memes have gone mainstream - are they all different psy ops, because when they got mainstream traction for a while they got different coverage?

UFOs getting some "mainstream" coverage is about the same as something else weird happens that gets some coverage for a while and then the fringy to mainstream news cycle moves onto the next thing. Some are mainstream for a day, some a bit longer, but it aint a psy op, rather it is just routine human behavior and the marketplace at work.

If the same footage is repeatedly blasted out on TV, why does it matter if my argument is that they're propagandizing? Do you think most people have the capacity to understand that they're not getting anything new?

You should probably stop trying to mock people altogether Cuepee because for you in particular to do it, it doesn't come off well. Leave that for people like Monteroy and Trolly who have some self-awareness.

It’s sad that the Illuminati can’t come up with new material, given they control government and the media and whatnot.