Are we being prepared for the truth regarding UFOs? Or is this some kind of psyops operation being conducted by the US military? A trick of the light? Collective hysteria? Or has China/Russia made some major breakthroughs? These kind of observations seem to go back decades and the nature of the aircraft being a lozenge type shape (although they come in other shapes), travelling at great speed, no exhaust, abrupt course changes and no sonic boom are consistent - therefore, maybe we can discount China/Russia breakthrough.

theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/22/us-government-ufo-report-sightings

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u...reid-navy.html

You may learn more about how often world's superpowers and countries develop weird stuff and how often they use it near or within each-others borders a lot, both under and over the sea. That you are spied upon and that foreign military protocols / tech is tested aggressively is the superpower equivalent of a messy living-room, it's only embarrassing if the neighbours find out.

I suspect most of the juicy stuff will likely will still be classified, i.e.. the stuff with details, which contributed to technology or where gathering the of information relied on particular technology. We can see that from related examples from equivalent incidents, like the attempted recovery of K-129 ("Project Azorian"), most of that that is still classified today some 50 years later.

There has a been a lot of UFO propaganda heating up for years in the mainstream media. It's something I've noted in this forum.
We'll see what happens but I like to envision an Independence Day style attack that unites the world, only it's all just holograms.

Not sure what you mean by heating up. There’s way less UFO stuff in the media now than in the 90’s. Or in the 50’s.

Yeah you think with everyone with a cellphone we would have more pictures of UFO's, lochness monster, Ogopogo , Bigfoot.

It's simply them saying that some UFO's/UAP are unknowns and doesn't really amount to anything in terms of potential arcane fantastical revelations.

I'm basing it off of things like the Slate article that I referenced in the post below from the Epstein thread.

I mean whether you judge the 1950s as having more idk. It's just something that I've noticed as someone who just reads the headlines.
Also everything I cite in this post:

I hope they bring Elvis back with them.

I hope they don't.

+1

The truth is out there...

This is a good point, but I'd argue the sightings by the airforce and navy from the NYT article seem to have occurred miles out in the ocean. Also, regarding phone pics - unless the object is less than a mile away I don't think you'd get much detail. The ex US intelligence director in the Guardian article goes on to say:

“Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public.

Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have been seen by navy or air force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.

Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

If true they must have more photographs/video.. one of the navy pilots concerned said they had much higher resolution footage than what was released.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the NY Times piece you linked as its main source a certain Luis Elizondo merely claims to have worked for a UFO related division within US intel, but no actual evidence of this has been found so far

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/...ondo-pentagon/
According to Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood :
The History channel has no credibility left and that's where Elizondo appears on mainly.

Again the Pentagon are saying some UFOs/UAP are unknown and that's nothing we didn't know since the 50s anyway.

How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously: For decades, flying saucers were a punch line. Then the U.S. government got over the taboo.
New Yorker article out yesterday. I only skimmed but it looks like it's heavily focused on Stephen Greer who is a disinformation artist.

That is certainly a lot of words that fail to explain the very basic fact that U.F.O does not mean alien spacecraft or a "flying saucer".

Also, the "cosmic top secret" and claim about "38 levels" is just BS. Cosmic top secret is a standard NATO classification. It is on the same level as top secret, merely marked cosmic to denote that it is NATO material (and should therefore be handled with joint NATO procedures in the cases where those differ from national procedures).

I'd be more suprised if there aren't aliens

Well there's the Fermi paradox-- which is basically: there should be aliens so where are they? And the powers that be would seem to be telling us that they're here-- which I definitely doubt-- and I put Independence Day style, holographic psy-op to unite the world under one government at like 3:2 sometime in the next 50 years. Project Bluebeam is sort of the accompanying conspiracy theory there-- although that's more fake anti-christ than fake aliens.
But on the Fermi paradox: if it's true that the universe is expanding in all directions as modern cosmology says, and c.f. the cosmological horizon idea there, then that could explain why they aren't here.

Yes i tip this way too. As a betting man, I would have to bet 'yes' to this question but how one defines 'Aliens' might change my odds a bit.

Does 'aliens' denote a sentient being who is similar in measurable ways to a human either in our past evolution or future? And i am not saying we have to have to have a similar body type. I am talking more about the type of 'sentience' tests Star Trek would apply.


For me it is kind of a decision tree thing.

- Can you accept that there may be microbiological and bacterial life thriving on some other planet?

if so

- Can you accept that there may then be some form of 'plant', 'algae' life thriving on the decay of the micro and bacterial life?

if so

- Can you accept that there may be some form of insect life thriving on that?

if so

- Can you accept that there may be some form rudimentary rodent, small animal and sea life thriving on that?

if so

- if you accept all the prior as plausible, can we deny the leap to advanced species we would identified as sentient given the age of the universe and that certainly, if this type of chain has evolved on many planets, that some of them would have millions of years of evolutionary advantage over humans

I'm curious if anyone looks at my decision tree above and says I can accept some parts, like 'up to plant life is acceptable' but then thinks 'there is no way I can accept any advancement beyond that'.


As my view is, once you accept any part of the decision tree as being plausible you must accept all the following outcomes as plausible. It is just then a question of 'weighting' the likelihood, but not denying it.

Any extra terrestrial life including single celled organisms should be able to qualify as "alien". I don't think intelligence is a factor.

by that definition (which I do not disagree with) I am betting it near impossible then that ET life does not exist.

We learn that in almost every single instance, what we prior thought inhabitable area of earth, that 'life' finds a way.



- Zero sunlight once thought to be a bar, chemosynthesis finds a way.
- Boiling acid hot springs that would dissolve a nail. Life finds a way
- Bodies Below the Freezing Point of Water. Life finds a way.
- In the Stratosphere, life finds a way

So what conditions could we imagine in space that should prevent life? And i think the assumption should be almost 'none'.


Top Ten Places Where Life Shouldn’t Exist… But Does.

It seems the only purpose of the universe is to foster life, so i assume it is plentiful.

As for Fermi, "there should be aliens so where are they?", it should be "there should be aliens so where are they in the short timeframe we have been observing?"

There are lots of legends of alien visitation in the past from differing cultures around the world.

Maybe it's due to the vast distances and the vast array of places in the universe to visit.

Altho i can see Donald Trump removing his human mask to reveal his true lizard.

I think it is logical to believe life on earth and elsewhere was likely seeded, with intent, by an advanced alien species. If you made me bet on one origin story, I think this is near my top.

Using mankind as a template one of our driving goals is to ensure that mankind somehow outlives this planet. The biggest threat to mankind is a planetary extinction event and we can offset that risk by colonizing other planets.

However, long before mankind can transport humans to colonize and terraform planets the slow and old fashioned way, we will be able to send a cross section of the 'seeds of earth life' (bacteria, dna, etc) to planets with the 'conditions of life' via a one way satellite which can begin a process of terraforming and starting the cycle of life.

Of course whatever evolves there would have no evidence of how they got there. The sole satellite long since turned to dust.

If you mean in the universe, I'd agree. If you mean on our planet at some point (now or in the past), I think it's certainly possible, but much less likely.

For me, the reason simply comes down to the limitations of space travel. I start with the assumption there are no other advanced life forms (IE intelligent life capable of space travel) in our solar system, which seems pretty solid unless they're doing a fine job of hiding themselves. Then I look at what's around us - something like 50 stellar systems within 15 light years. The farther out you go, the more advanced things have to get to make it possible for anyone to get here. Extremely fast travel and/or very long lifespans.

Of course, travel faster than the speed of light makes visitors from anywhere in the universe possible, and I'm not convinced that humans know everything and thus can rule it out - I just don't know how likely such travel is. Maybe that's the crux of the question - the more likely you think faster than light travel is, the more likely you think alien visitors are.

LOL.

Curious what you think about my 'Seeds of Life' theory?

I mean, we could pretty much do that on Mars right now or any 'potentially habitable' planet that has any of the right conditions for life.

Well, I don't think it's logical to think that it's likely. Of course it's certainly possible, and you're right that we'd never know.

Any theory that requires the breaking of scientific laws as we know them, I'm going to assume less likely to be true, than not. But of course I don't think that we have everything figured out - not even close. Many things we believe to be true will turn out not to be. But we also don't know which ones those will be, so I'm not prepared to put a high probability on any one particular theory/principle being wrong.