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12-28-2023 , 08:04 AM
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NYT news from today -
Mayor Adams under pressure has restricted bus arrivals into NYC
a different report from AP indicates that currently on average 10,000 migrants per day are surging across the border with Mexico

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/n...rants-bus.html

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12-28-2023 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
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NYT news from today -
Mayor Adams under pressure has restricted bus arrivals into NYC
a different report from AP indicates that currently on average 10,000 migrants per day are surging across the border with Mexico

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/n...rants-bus.html

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Chicago did the same thing so they fly them in
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12-28-2023 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
Look at all the horrors we have unleashed upon Grenada, El Salvador, Chile, Cuba, and countless other places.

hotdogmickey is on the side of the United Fruit Company; finding the wealth of their stockholders far more important than the lives of poor workers
There is always an excuse why socialism doesn't work - it just so happens that it is often because people who live in a socialist country see a better way to live... in a capitalist country. Just look at statistics of the number of people moving from socialist countrys to capitalist countries over the last 50 years and vice versa.

I don't know who the proverbial "we" is that did something to those countries you mention but if you'd like you can list what happened to them.

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I mean, I would prefer that we (referring to US capitalists, mainly) stop exploiting these lands and impoverishing their people; so that they would have no desire to flee their lands en masse at all!

With that said, I support open borders, sure. Frankly, I think that we should destroy all nations (i.e., consolidating them into one humanist-style state) and all the ills that come with that, such as xenophobia, cultural bias, and patriotism. But I also understand that that ain't never gonna happen, similar to how your hypothetical also ain't never gonna happen, so, you know, I guess we have to settle for incremental stuff.
Ending all countries except one is the one and only way socialism has a way to succeed.

Competition is the kryptonite of socialism - there is no way for socialism to survive if capitalism is tried in other parts of the world and information flows freely throughout the world.

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Venezuela was largely wrecked by the lack of planning in its economy. It followed the market. Oil was like 95% of it's economy and prices fell. Norway, with a lot more planning, does not leave itself so vulnerable despite being in a similar situation with fossil fuel resources. The capitalist free market response should really be "ok, they specialized in what they were good at. Conditions changed. Lower oil prices were good overall, even if they hurt Venezuela. And people and capital can and should leave if prices drop." But, people are dishonest. Communists act like everything is always better with communism and free market fundamentalists act like everything is always better for everyone now matter what in a free market.
Venezuela got wrecked because the economy was planned.
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12-28-2023 , 06:17 PM
It’s funny after all that rant baham believes the U.S. is capitalist economy
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01-05-2024 , 07:49 PM
Another record month for Joe Burden over 300,000 in December yet the border is closed
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01-06-2024 , 11:09 AM
who cares. let them in. get them on a path to citizenship.
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01-06-2024 , 11:35 AM
On a road trip, every fast food place I've stopped at is backed up and desperate for workers. lol nativists
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01-06-2024 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
On a road trip, every fast food place I've stopped at is backed up and desperate for workers. lol nativists
i like the "we're full" people. bruh i drove through 200 miles of green rolling hills with just nothing over the holidays.. we could probably double the population and not be "full"..


actually tax the rich, fund the IRS, fix the social security brackets, let 'em in, we'll all be fine. some posters might just have to get used to seeing the occasional non white person around town.
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01-07-2024 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
who cares.
me
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01-15-2024 , 02:47 AM
Get over it

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01-15-2024 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm
Get over it

Great video I was expecting when he said there was a processing center a mile away in the middle of nowhere that he was full of it

The reality is the border is wide open and yes the USA has lots of room. But who pays for the healthcare, education and if they can't work they either work illegally , are abused, or strain the social welfare system
Until the USA seriously addresses the cartel issue its not going to change

Here in Canada our government bringing in 400,000 plus legal immigrants which has caused a housing crisis , strain on our health care and social services
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01-15-2024 , 12:52 PM
In the US, 15% of construction workers are undocumented. The crises in housing would be if unauthorized border crossing stopped.

It's 26% of farm workers though, so Americans starving to death might alleviate the housing crunch.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic...grant-workers/
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01-15-2024 , 12:59 PM
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In the US, 15% of construction workers are undocumented. The crises in housing would be if unauthorized border crossing stopped.

It's 26% of farm workers though, so Americans starving to death might alleviate the housing crunch.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic...grant-workers/
Than why not bring these workers legally or under temporary work visas and have them pay taxes? Sadly we bring in 400,000 and still have a shortage of farm workers and construction workers
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01-15-2024 , 01:09 PM
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Than why not bring these workers legally or under temporary work visas and have them pay taxes? Sadly we bring in 400,000 and still have a shortage of farm workers and construction workers
Bring them in? You mean like the Brasero program? Or like allow more immigration? That'd be better than the status quo. It's not enough for me though, but I love freedom.
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01-15-2024 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
The reality is the border is wide open and yes the USA has lots of room. But who pays for the healthcare, education and if they can't work they either work illegally , are abused, or strain the social welfare system
Until the USA seriously addresses the cartel issue its not going to change
are you one of those people that think undocumented people dont pay taxes in the US?
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01-15-2024 , 10:18 PM
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are you one of those people that think undocumented people dont pay taxes in the US?
They would be paying little or no income taxes anyway. The average undocumented person makes $13/hr. If you make that little and are married and work full time you aren't even required to file.

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01-15-2024 , 10:42 PM
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But who pays for the healthcare, education and if they can't work they either work illegally , are abused, or strain the social welfare system
This is a fantastic argument for providing them with a path to a legal status!
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01-15-2024 , 11:27 PM
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They would be paying little or no income taxes anyway. The average undocumented person makes $13/hr. If you make that little and are married and work full time you aren't even required to file.
Adds up to about 12 billion dollars paid a year according to most studies.
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01-16-2024 , 01:43 AM
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Adds up to about 12 billion dollars paid a year according to most studies.
I understood that taxes were paid, but I figured it was mostly other kinds of taxes, but yeah, looking it up about half of the undocumented file taxes and others just have withholdings taken. Seems brave. I guess it must be somewhat understood that filing taxes isn't a likely way to cause deportation.
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01-17-2024 , 09:50 AM
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thousands of migrants who have been bused to NYC are in lines waiting days for ID cards
many are sleeping in the streets in the freezing cold
others are directed to large areas such as train stations with no cots - just chairs - and no showers
Mayor Adams has gone to court to try and suspend the city's "right to shelter" law which was enacted in 1981 when there was only a fraction of the demands of today
he has not been successful - but the "right to shelter" law is being largely ignored as the city cannot possibly meet the demand
145,000 migrants have arrived in NYC in the past 18 months
it's so very, very sad





https://i0.wp.com/www.nydailynews.co...2C9999px&ssl=1


https://static.politico.com/51/11/86...ads/1490424455


https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/05/30/r...-adams-asylum/


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Last edited by FallawayJumper; 01-17-2024 at 09:57 AM.
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01-17-2024 , 01:44 PM
There's 96 million square feet of vacant office space in NYC.
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01-17-2024 , 01:52 PM
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There's 96 million square feet of vacant office space in NYC.
yeah but wont someone think of the poor commercial landlords?
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01-17-2024 , 02:01 PM
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There's 96 million square feet of vacant office space in NYC.
How many square feet are vacant in your house this second? Don't tell me you use 100% of your house 100% of the time.

Why haven't you invited any homeless people in? It is always someone else who should fix the problem, right?
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01-17-2024 , 02:16 PM
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How many square feet are vacant in your house this second? Don't tell me you use 100% of your house 100% of the time.

Why haven't you invited any homeless people in? It is always someone else who should fix the problem, right?
yeah. the government.
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01-17-2024 , 09:00 PM
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How many square feet are vacant in your house this second? Don't tell me you use 100% of your house 100% of the time.

Why haven't you invited any homeless people in? It is always someone else who should fix the problem, right?
I've had homeless people live with me before, maybe even enough that it was my share.

Government can pay for the rent though and I pay taxes. Or even just allowing residential use of commercial space would help.
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