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11-28-2023 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Your chart only represents a 400% change whereas the rancher had a 4000% increase in issues a five day walk from the border.
The increase baffles me as well
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11-28-2023 , 12:09 PM
Fabrication to fit your desired narrative and self delusion appear to be the correct answers.

The fact that you are the only one that believes your lies isn't that surprising.
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11-28-2023 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Fabrication to fit your desired narrative and self delusion appear to be the correct answers.

The fact that you are the only one that believes your lies isn't that surprising.
Nobody is stopping you from driving down here to see for yourself. Or you can live in denial and call me a liar because you hate unsettling truths. "number go up too much, must be a lie!"
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11-28-2023 , 06:21 PM
Why would anyone drive to Texas? I will be closer than you when I land in Los Angeles on Thursday and I am closer to a border sitting in my living room now.


Besides, your numbers keep growing verytime you sell the story, Pinocchio.
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11-29-2023 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Why would anyone drive to Texas? I will be closer than you when I land in Los Angeles on Thursday and I am closer to a border sitting in my living room now.


Besides, your numbers keep growing verytime you sell the story, Pinocchio.
Wrong again. Must suck to be wrong all the time
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11-29-2023 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
having worked at a bank during this time I can tell you that, as usual, youre wrong
It isn’t clear what you are disagreeing with me about. Are you denying 1) the act was passed under Clinton, 2) that the act dems pitched as helping poor people who can’t afford a house get a house in fact helped poor people who couldn’t afford a house actually helped them get a house, 3) the law of supply and demand or how the law of supply and demand played a role in this?
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11-29-2023 , 03:43 PM
All your post was just not factually true even tho we share to u every evidence and credible sources to support it .
Hell they made 3 freakn great movies about it but hey a. Offing to u , inflation in houses was caused by Clinton 10 years earlier but today inflation was cause by biden inside couple months lol .
U make perfect sense as usual -> not !

U just don’t care about facts but just what u wish for .
It’s ok we got it now .
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11-29-2023 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
All your post was just not factually true even tho we share to u every evidence and credible sources to support it.
The questions I asked is very simple. I can't defend my post when you won't even tell me which pat of my post you don't agree with.

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Hell they made 3 freakn great movies about it but hey a.
LOL. Well if they made movies about something then it must be real. Let me guess you think a delorean can go back in the future?

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
inflation in houses was caused by Clinton 10 years earlier but today inflation was cause by biden inside couple months
There are some policies that when enacted have an immediate impact on things while others make take months or even years to feel the real effects of them (FYI - this is common sense for most).

For example, increasing the amount of money the government prints by 3x for 2 years, giving that money away and shutting the economy we all saw had a very positive short term effect but now we now know is having some terrible long-term effects.

No matter if we are talking about the rate at which money was printed, given out and how long the economy was shut down post covid, the act passed under clinton or a doctor that continues to give a car wreck victim morphine for 3 month straight instead of actually fixing his broken arm at some point you have the pay the piper.
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11-29-2023 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
The questions I asked is very simple. I can't defend my post when you won't even tell me which pat of my post you don't agree with.



LOL. Well if they made movies about something then it must be real. Let me guess you think a delorean can go back in the future?



There are some policies that when enacted have an immediate impact on things while others make take months or even years to feel the real effects of them (FYI - this is common sense for most).

For example, increasing the amount of money the government prints by 3x for 2 years, giving that money away and shutting the economy we all saw had a very positive short term effect but now we now know is having some terrible long-term effects.

No matter if we are talking about the rate at which money was printed, given out and how long the economy was shut down post covid, the act passed under clinton or a doctor that continues to give a car wreck victim morphine for 3 month straight instead of actually fixing his broken arm at some point you have the pay the piper.
- All your post was wrong , not just part of it .
U want me to go back and repost all the data’s showing that your post is nonsense for like the fifth time ?


- Are u claiming all movies are science fiction ?


- Tell me which policy takes 7-10 years to take effect ending up blaming Clinton while by passing 2 full terms of buddy ?
And if by some miracle one policy would work like that (which they don’t) , why didn’t bush stop it if it was so damaging ?
U giving a pass to bush for being inactive of banning a legislation for 8 years ?

And the funny thing in all of this is u even admit monetary policy have big effect in house prices and other area inside of a 2-3 years period and yet …..
U claim bush era wasn’t responsible for 2008 crisis but Clinton was while HUGE monetary changes happened during bush term ?…
So monetary policies have significant effect on the economy but exceptionally not during 1 time all the history under bush ?

U make a lot of sense champ !
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12-27-2023 , 10:13 AM
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reports indicate that more than 140,000 migrants and asylum seekers have come to NYC in the last 18 months stretching the city's ability to handle this beyond its limits

one report I saw indicated that on average 500 new migrants are now coming to NYC every day

many are from Venezuela which is racked by poverty, crime and political corruption - I saw a report stating that 90% of Venezuelans are living in poverty and 60% are living in extreme poverty

another report I saw quoted Mayor Adams as saying the crisis could destroy the city

the New York Times link is the best if you're not blocked by the paywall - I get by the paywall by googling the headline - I can get 2 free articles per day


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/n...ric-adams.html


https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/new...migrant-crisis

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12-27-2023 , 10:39 AM
A significant percentage of people coming to the US are fleeing bad situations that are partly (mostly?) caused by the US ITSELF, particularly in Central and South America. We obviously have a moral obligation to house these people and see that their basic needs are met.

We also have the means to do so. We could shave off a little fraction of our military spending, which by itself would be enough. A 2% increase on the wealth taxes of billionaires might do it.

The only obstacles are capitalism and capitalists, which, I admit, are fearsome opponents.
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12-27-2023 , 11:57 AM
Nothing like seeing karl marx responding to someone saying a **** load of people are trying to escape from a country that was destroyed by socialism (Venezuela) and are escaping to the brightest beacons of capitalism the world has ever seen (the US). It is even funnier to see karl point out that the country the people are going to just needs to become a little more like the country those people are fleeing from.
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12-27-2023 , 12:46 PM
lol @ hotdogmickey and his child's understanding of geopolitics

Let's take a little trip to Bolivia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_B...litical_crisis

in which a US-backed coup overthrew the democratically-elected President Morales and replaced him with theocratic fascist Jeanine Anez

Under Morales, Bolivia saw significant increases in wealth and general quality of life for the average citizen.

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Once elected president in 2005, Morales increased taxation on the hydrocarbon industry to bolster social spending and emphasized projects to combat illiteracy, poverty, and racial and gender discrimination. Vocally criticizing neoliberalism, Morales' government moved Bolivia towards a mixed economy, reduced its dependence on the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF), and oversaw strong economic growth. Scaling back United States influence in the country, he built relationships with leftist governments in the Latin American pink tide, especially Hugo Chávez's Venezuela and Fidel Castro's Cuba, and signed Bolivia into the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas.
Socialism worked fine in Bolivia. So fine, in fact, that it offended the US and its business interests to the degree that they directly supported a far-right coup of a democratically-elected President. It also seems to work quite well in the Scandinavian states. It's almost as if a bunch of other stuff independent of a collectively-planned economy is responsible for Venezuela's troubles!

It takes a special kind of American-style jingoistic fervor to ignore the NUMEROUS, BRUTAL, AND DIRECT ways in which the US has plundered South and Central America, despoiling their land, taking their resources, killing their rebels, and impoverishing their citizens. Read a ****ing book.
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12-27-2023 , 12:52 PM
btw, you know the US/rebel excuse for the immediate necessity to overthrow Morales? TERM LIMITS.

That's right, Morales proposed a measure to extend term limits, and the coup planners had their jackpot with regards to winning the hearts and minds of centrists and NatSec dorks and other losers. They put out numerous op-eds about how, damn, if only Morales had not sought another term, we wouldn't have had to do this!!
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12-27-2023 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
A significant percentage of people coming to the US are fleeing bad situations that are partly (mostly?) caused by the US ITSELF, particularly in Central and South America. We obviously have a moral obligation to house these people and see that their basic needs are met.

We also have the means to do so. We could shave off a little fraction of our military spending, which by itself would be enough. A 2% increase on the wealth taxes of billionaires might do it.

The only obstacles are capitalism and capitalists, which, I admit, are fearsome opponents.
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How about if we declared the border to be open - no restrictions at all_________________?

Millions would come in within 6 months - within a year maybe 10 million

Would that be okay with you_____________________?

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12-27-2023 , 01:05 PM
Look at all the horrors we have unleashed upon Grenada, El Salvador, Chile, Cuba, and countless other places.

hotdogmickey is on the side of the United Fruit Company; finding the wealth of their stockholders far more important than the lives of poor workers
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12-27-2023 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
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How about if we declared the border to be open - no restrictions at all_________________?

Millions would come in within 6 months

Would that be okay with you_____________________?

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I mean, I would prefer that we (referring to US capitalists, mainly) stop exploiting these lands and impoverishing their people; so that they would have no desire to flee their lands en masse at all!

With that said, I support open borders, sure. Frankly, I think that we should destroy all nations (i.e., consolidating them into one humanist-style state) and all the ills that come with that, such as xenophobia, cultural bias, and patriotism. But I also understand that that ain't never gonna happen, similar to how your hypothetical also ain't never gonna happen, so, you know, I guess we have to settle for incremental stuff.
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12-27-2023 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
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reports indicate that more than 140,000 migrants and asylum seekers have come to NYC in the last 18 months stretching the city's ability to handle this beyond its limits

one report I saw indicated that on average 500 new migrants are now coming to NYC every day

many are from Venezuela which is racked by poverty, crime and political corruption - I saw a report stating that 90% of Venezuelans are living in poverty and 60% are living in extreme poverty

another report I saw quoted Mayor Adams as saying the crisis could destroy the city

the New York Times link is the best if you're not blocked by the paywall - I get by the paywall by googling the headline - I can get 2 free articles per day


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/n...ric-adams.html


https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/new...migrant-crisis
Alarmists have declared that immigrants are on the verge of sinking NYC for approximately the last 200 years. The only thing that changes is the religion and nationality of the immigrants we are supposed to be worried about. At various times, people have focused on Irish, Italian, Jewish, Polish, Chinese, and Muslim immigrants. Now the focus is on immigrants from Central and South America.

Despite the warnings of impending doom, immigration never seems to result in a catastrophe for the city.

There is a limit on the rate at which NYC can absord immigrants in an orderly way. It's fine to acknowledge and discuss that reality. But you also should take hyperbole from Eric Adams on this issue with a large grain of salt. I suspect that he is trying to drum up federal aid, and I know he would like to distract from other issues, including allegations of corruption in his administration. If you visited NYC in 2015, and then returned today, you very likely would not even notice the recent wave of immigration, although it obviously would depend on where you visited. No matter where you went, there is a zero percent chance that you would conclude that NYC was collapsing under the weight of recent immigration.
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12-27-2023 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Alarmists have declared that immigrants are on the verge of sinking NYC for approximately the last 200 years. The only thing that changes is the religion and nationality of the immigrants we are supposed to be worried about. At various times, people have focused on Irish, Italian, Jewish, Polish, Chinese, and Muslim immigrants. Now the focus is on immigrants from Central and South America.

Despite the warnings of impending doom, immigration never seems to result in a catastrophe for the city.

There is a limit on the rate at which NYC can absord immigrants in an orderly way. It's fine to acknowledge and discuss that reality. But you also should take hyperbole from Eric Adams on this issue with a large grain of salt. I suspect that he is trying to drum up federal aid, and I know he would like to distract from other issues, including allegations of corruption in his administration. If you visited NYC in 2015, and then returned today, you very likely would not even notice the recent wave of immigration, although it obviously would depend on where you visited. No matter where you went, there is a zero percent chance that you would conclude that NYC was collapsing under the weight of recent immigration.
I don't believe it's alarmist to be very, very concerned about this.
NYC is being put upon to provide no cost shelter and food for hundreds of thousands of people
I don't believe that was the case for the earlier historic waves of immigrants
I'm not unsympathetic to their plight - but the U.S. cannot solve all of the worlds problems
The city will not likely be destroyed - I agree that Mayor Adams is exaggerating.
But the quality of life for many is likely to deteriorate if thousands of homeless people are concentrated in certain sections of the city
consider - this is the New York Times reporting this as being a crisis
The NYT is well known as a liberal newspaper that has not been against immigration

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12-27-2023 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FallawayJumper
I don't believe it's alarmist to be very, very concerned about this.
NYC is being put upon to provide no cost shelter and food for hundreds of thousands of people
I don't believe that was the case for the earlier historic waves of immigrants
I'm not unsympathetic to their plight - but the U.S. cannot solve all of the worlds problems
The city will not likely be destroyed - I agree that Mayor Adams is exaggerating.
But the quality of life for many is likely to deteriorate if thousands of homeless people are concentrated in certain sections of the city
consider - this is the New York Times reporting this as being a crisis
The NYT is well known as a liberal newspaper that has not been against immigration
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Are you imagining big tent cities sprinkled throughout the city? That isn't what is happening. I don't observe any greater number of people living on the street than I did 10 years ago.

Of course the NYT is going to report on immigration into the city. It always has. And as I said, immigration is a real issue that deserves to be discussed. But the tenor of your post suggested that this was some sort of acute crisis that was affecting the lives of millions of city residents. That simply isn't the case.
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12-27-2023 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Are you imagining big tent cities sprinkled throughout the city? That isn't what is happening. I don't observe any greater number of people living on the street than I did 10 years ago.

Of course the NYT is going to report on immigration into the city. It always has. And as I said, immigration is a real issue that deserves to be discussed. But the tenor of your post suggested that this was some sort of acute crisis that was affecting the lives of millions of city residents. That simply isn't the case.
Does NY not put many of them up in hotels which they have to pay for? As well many need education and healthcare.

The Immigration crisis is an issue dragging down Biden . If he could strike a deal with the GOP and ignore the extreme lefties it could help him politically

Also look at Arizona with a democrat governor calling on the Feds to do something other than say the border is closed
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12-27-2023 , 02:14 PM
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Nothing like seeing karl marx responding to someone saying a **** load of people are trying to escape from a country that was destroyed by socialism (Venezuela) and are escaping to the brightest beacons of capitalism the world has ever seen (the US). It is even funnier to see karl point out that the country the people are going to just needs to become a little more like the country those people are fleeing from.
Venezuela was largely wrecked by the lack of planning in its economy. It followed the market. Oil was like 95% of it's economy and prices fell. Norway, with a lot more planning, does not leave itself so vulnerable despite being in a similar situation with fossil fuel resources. The capitalist free market response should really be "ok, they specialized in what they were good at. Conditions changed. Lower oil prices were good overall, even if they hurt Venezuela. And people and capital can and should leave if prices drop." But, people are dishonest. Communists act like everything is always better with communism and free market fundamentalists act like everything is always better for everyone now matter what in a free market.
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12-27-2023 , 02:26 PM
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Are you imagining big tent cities sprinkled throughout the city? That isn't what is happening.
maybe not a lot right now but there are some, several
and there will be more
again, 500 new migrants coming in every single day on average per the report that I read

the first one is under the BQE

the 2nd one is under construction by the city
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https://www.google.com/search?sca_es...Wi2BBlP97rFnZM
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https://www.google.com/search?sca_es...gM9d7lC0AgGOlM

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12-27-2023 , 03:24 PM
There are like 200k vacant jobs in NYC. This is good.
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12-27-2023 , 03:36 PM
Of all the absurd **** conservatives worry about, migrants coming to New York City is up there. Like, oh noes, foreign people coming to NYC, how will the city manage. What will happen to the culture.
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