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10-15-2023 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I think the only fair recourse is for the federal govt and blue Eastern seaboard states to step up and devise safe modes of transport (air, plane, train) for the millions of immigrants to safely bypass Texas and travel to big blue sanctuary cities, such as Washington DC, NY and Chicago.
Why not just cut out the middle man and send them directly to their new republican employers?
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10-20-2023 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nucularburro
In recent decades much of western Europe has received as much or more immigration from a wider variety of sources.
I don't understand why you would even try to argue this. The US still has more immigrants than the next 4 countries with the most immigrants combined despite only 1 (Mexico) of the top 10 countries with the most emigrants being less than 1/2 a world away. I am sure the ukraine/russia war has helped immigration numbers in nearby countries and covid may distort some numbers short term, but there is almost no shot the US doesn't continue to be USA#1 in immigration long-term for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by nucularburro
Internal migration in China dwarfs whatever the US receives.
I'm not sure you know what that means. If so, please explain how that is relevant to this conversation.
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10-20-2023 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I'm not sure you know what that means. If so, please explain how that is relevant to this conversation.
The point is that other nations with far fewer resources than the US are quite capable of handling even bigger population movements than what comes into the US.
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10-22-2023 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The point is that other nations with far fewer resources than the US are quite capable of handling even bigger population movements than what comes into the US.
Well sure, but they're not half the world away from the emigrating countries!! That is, except the US's next door neighbour that takes in 4x the number of immigrants per capita.
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10-28-2023 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don't understand why you would even try to argue this. The US still has more immigrants than the next 4 countries with the most immigrants combined despite only 1 (Mexico) of the top 10 countries with the most emigrants being less than 1/2 a world away. I am sure the ukraine/russia war has helped immigration numbers in nearby countries and covid may distort some numbers short term, but there is almost no shot the US doesn't continue to be USA#1 in immigration long-term for the foreseeable future.



I'm not sure you know what that means. If so, please explain how that is relevant to this conversation.
One should consider percentages not absolutes.

The percent of the US that is foreign born is surely lower than the same in Sweden or Switzerland.
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11-16-2023 , 01:59 PM
Anti-immigration/control the borders people are the absolute worst. If you don't like the people coming into your area, then you move you entitled *******.
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11-16-2023 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
The southern border is effectively open right now.
GOP doesn’t want you to know the true number of undocumented immigrants.

Unauthorized immigrant population peaked at 12.2 million in 2007, that is, when
George W. Bush was president, and that population has been steadily decreasing since then.

The Republican Party can’t talk about the U.S. border with Mexico without falsely describing it as “open.”

Republicans say that they don’t mind immigrants entering the country legally;
they want to decrease the number coming in illegally. Well, that’s exactly what’s been happening.

A third of Republicans “believe that true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save the country.”

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...ort-rcna125447
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11-17-2023 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
GOP doesn’t want you to know the true number of undocumented immigrants.

Unauthorized immigrant population peaked at 12.2 million in 2007, that is, when
George W. Bush was president, and that population has been steadily decreasing since then.

The Republican Party can’t talk about the U.S. border with Mexico without falsely describing it as “open.”

Republicans say that they don’t mind immigrants entering the country legally;
they want to decrease the number coming in illegally. Well, that’s exactly what’s been happening.

A third of Republicans “believe that true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save the country.”

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...ort-rcna125447
I don't need to look at stats or msnbc. My property in South Texas has had an unprecedented uptick in illegals in the last 3 years. Went from 1 incident every few years to nearly 1 a week.
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11-17-2023 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Anti-immigration/control the borders people are the absolute worst. If you don't like the people coming into your area, then you move you entitled *******.
If anyone cums in my area it better be me!
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11-17-2023 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Went from 1 incident every few years to nearly 1 a week.
So down quite a bit in 7 months.
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
gone from having 1 instance of illegals crossing through every few years to 3-4 a week
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11-17-2023 , 12:11 PM
People stopped coming and migration flows even reversed a bit after 2008 because of the economic crisis here and the lack of jobs. The flow has very little to do with changes in border control and everything to do with jobs and economic prospects both here and in other places like Venezuela.

If Republicans get the chance they will once again curtail immigration by once again deregulating banks and causing another financial crisis.

eta: Dumbocrats did their fair share of deregulating banks too.

Last edited by microbet; 11-17-2023 at 12:26 PM.
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11-17-2023 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
I don't need to look at stats or msnbc. My property in South Texas has had an unprecedented uptick in illegals in the last 3 years. Went from 1 incident every few years to nearly 1 a week.
I'm praying for you in this time of great peril, hope you come through okay.
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11-17-2023 , 12:50 PM
This may not be here or there but I think about it every time anything immigration comes up.

Quite a few years ago, my buddy and I drove down to a lake that's on the texas/mexico border. Once you get a bit past san antonio, there isn't much there but scrubland. If you haven't ever seen it, it's mostly just cactus and shrubs.

At a certain point south, along the road is a fence with a dirt road that goes along it (on the other side of the fence from the highway). It goes like this for quite a distance. And, as I mentioned, there isn't much of anything other than an occasional roadside rest area. No towns or anything.

So, we were probably about 30 miles from the border and we saw two men walking along the other side of the fence, heading north. I'm assuming they were illegal immigrants since there wasn't any other reason for two people to be in the middle of nowhere walking. They weren't within 20 miles of anything.

My only thought at the time (and still my thought) was, how bad could it possibly be where you live that would make a person walk through, essentially desert, in the heat of the day like that. Probably not knowing when you might eat, or where you might end up.

It stuck with me and has shaped how I feel about immigration.
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11-17-2023 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
If Republicans get the chance they will once again curtail immigration by once again deregulating banks and causing another financial crisis.
If you are referring to '08 when you suggest deregulation causing a financial crisis you may want to read an economists opinion who isn't on the US gov't dime. You will very likely see that it was literally the opposite of what you think that caused '08 - bank regulation NOT bank deregulation.

You can look all of this up, but the cliffs are that Clinton passed a law that twisted the arms of bankers to give loans to people who couldn't afford them to buy houses and the ticking time bomb went off in '08.
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11-17-2023 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
You can look all of this up, but the cliffs are that Clinton passed a law that twisted the arms of bankers to give loans to people who couldn't afford them to buy houses and the ticking time bomb went off in '08.
lol
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11-17-2023 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I'm praying for you in this time of great peril, hope you come through okay.
Thank you!
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11-17-2023 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
This may not be here or there but I think about it every time anything immigration comes up.

Quite a few years ago, my buddy and I drove down to a lake that's on the texas/mexico border. Once you get a bit past san antonio, there isn't much there but scrubland. If you haven't ever seen it, it's mostly just cactus and shrubs.

At a certain point south, along the road is a fence with a dirt road that goes along it (on the other side of the fence from the highway). It goes like this for quite a distance. And, as I mentioned, there isn't much of anything other than an occasional roadside rest area. No towns or anything.

So, we were probably about 30 miles from the border and we saw two men walking along the other side of the fence, heading north. I'm assuming they were illegal immigrants since there wasn't any other reason for two people to be in the middle of nowhere walking. They weren't within 20 miles of anything.

My only thought at the time (and still my thought) was, how bad could it possibly be where you live that would make a person walk through, essentially desert, in the heat of the day like that. Probably not knowing when you might eat, or where you might end up.

It stuck with me and has shaped how I feel about immigration.
They do the walk til they find an opportunity to steal a vehicle. And that isn't desert, thats quail country!
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11-18-2023 , 01:31 PM
We need to be redistributing federal tax dollars originally appropriated to states like Texas and Florida to the states they are sending immigrants.
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11-27-2023 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
They do the walk til they find an opportunity to steal a vehicle. And that isn't desert, thats quail country!
Lol, they walk 150 miles to just outside San Antonio before they try to steal your ranches vehicles. Why do you even try to sell such a dumb lie?
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11-27-2023 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Lol, they walk 150 miles to just outside San Antonio before they try to steal your ranches vehicles. Why do you even try to sell such a dumb lie?
Not how it works. None of what I have said is a lie buttercup
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11-27-2023 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Not how it works. None of what I have said is a lie buttercup
Ironic that you're calling him buttercup as if he's the one afraid.
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11-28-2023 , 12:08 AM
Immigration incidents at a Trump sycophant's ranch a two hour drive from the Mexican border:

2022-2223: 312-416
2019-2021: 1

Credibility rating: 2%
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11-28-2023 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Immigration incidents at a Trump sycophant's ranch a two hour drive from the Mexican border:

2022-2223: 312-416
2019-2021: 1

Credibility rating: 2%
I suppose that comes from something wreckem claimed and, yeah, it's likely a big exaggeration, but something pretty big happened in those time spans. It's pretty funny if people think it's something good that happened that kept people from wanting to come to the US 2019-2021 and something bad that's drawing them in now.

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11-28-2023 , 01:47 AM
Your chart only represents a 400% change whereas the rancher had a 4000% increase in issues a five day walk from the border.
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11-28-2023 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
If you are referring to '08 when you suggest deregulation causing a financial crisis you may want to read an economists opinion who isn't on the US gov't dime. You will very likely see that it was literally the opposite of what you think that caused '08 - bank regulation NOT bank deregulation.

You can look all of this up, but the cliffs are that Clinton passed a law that twisted the arms of bankers to give loans to people who couldn't afford them to buy houses and the ticking time bomb went off in '08.
having worked at a bank during this time I can tell you that, as usual, youre wrong
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