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Originally Posted by ganstaman
So to be clear, you're saying you want to go back to the rules being that people died in the streets, and non-white people couldn't get naturalized? Those are the things you think we did better in the past than now?
No, i am trying to tell microbet THE USA WAS NEVER EVEN CLOSE TO THE MODEL HE CLAIMS IT WAS (and that he claims to like), so he (and others claimining no filter immigration is good for society) has to admit the USA became the most powerful country in the history of the world *by actually filtering immigration and naturalization a lot since inception of the country*.
NO WELFARE, and a filter for naturalization, are exceptionally good tools that allow for a lot of positive immigration. The version of 2 hundred years ago are crude ones.
We can do much better today, no need to filter for race (which again wasn't "racism" in 1800, it was just a proxy of coming from a civilized country with values at least somewhat compatible with american ones) now that non-white developed countries exist, and naturalization can actually be sped up for quality immigrants (see Bukele proposal of giving passports for free and automatically to people in STEM and so on).
You don't need to let chronically ill people die in the streets if immigrants, you can ban them from entering and/or deporting them when they develop a costly medical condition without having a decent enough income potential.