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Well duh of course the majority of illegal immigrants should be the ones that will contribute to society and be worthy. That is how most countries do it . That doesn't mean you do not allow for a % of refugees .
I think even Republicans do not care about the color of their doctor just the fact they can see a doctor

yeah. the last line of your post is absolutely false. and it's not how ours should do it. we're the nation of immigrants.

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02-05-2024 , 12:55 PM

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yeah. the last line of your post is absolutely false. and it's not how ours should do it. we're the nation of immigrants.

You don't think Canada isn't a nation of immigrants. We took in almost 1/2 a million last year. You can be a nation of immigrants and still select the folks you want .

Oh right all Republicans are racists

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02-05-2024 , 01:06 PM

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canada is a glorified colony.

nation of immigrants is a book by JFK.

and yes.

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02-05-2024 , 01:11 PM

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It's so funny that people think that people that are against ILLEGAL immigration are against immigration in general. That's so far from the truth

Of course we need immigrants

A plurality of republicans (46%) think we should reduce the number of legal immigrants more than think we should increase or keep it the same combined. . Majorities of course of Trump supporters believe that.

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02-05-2024 , 01:18 PM

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I am not sure were you got your number from but that still says a majority of Republicans feel that we do not need to lower legal immigration

Ask the folks in poor neighborhoods how they feel about housing illegal immigrants in their schools and rec centers .

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02-05-2024 , 01:19 PM

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No. Some said they do not know/have no opinion. A majority that have an opinion think it needs to be lowered.

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02-05-2024 , 01:38 PM

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Trump blocked H1B Visas too. The notion that Republicans want legal immigration is either complete nonsense or they are just so dumb that they vote for people who oppose it anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/u...ork-visas.html

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02-05-2024 , 01:41 PM

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because the republican politicians and a lot of their constituency don't believe that.

and if they do, they want WHITE immigrants. or like luciom they want to preside over and pick only ones they deem worthy.

Canada filters for immigrant quality lol, i am asking to have a canada or australia like filter

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02-05-2024 , 01:42 PM

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lol no, the GOP took unprecedented steps to stop legal immigration as well, and the head of the party routinely slams immigrants from Muslim countries and "shithole" nations. Your typical Republican voter is absolutely against non-white immigration.

ye trump did a bit, that was wrong, a democrat running under a "more h1b visas, easier immigration for STEM graduates, nurses, crane operators and so on" and "we shoot to kill at the border" would win 48 states

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02-05-2024 , 01:43 PM

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Ye and seld-identifying republicans are what, 28% of adults? so ye 15% want reduced legal immigration, approx the same amount who want full open borders on the other end of the spectrum, and neither can or will govern the country unless somebody ****s up too much

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02-05-2024 , 01:53 PM

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Canada filters for immigrant quality lol, i am asking to have a canada or australia like filter

that may be fine for wherever you are from and for canada and for australia but that's not America. we took great pride in ourselves on being the nation of immigrants until the immigrants were brown, and then suddenly there was a problem with it. it's the bigotry, not the immigration.

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Well, I think a lot of Republicans, ones actually in power, do really want immigration and illegal immigration in particular because it's a great very exploitable labor force for many industries and not just agriculture. Legal status would just mean higher wages and employee protection.

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Probably 1% or less want open borders and most of those people identify as libertarian.

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Probably 1% or less want open borders and most of those people identify as libertarian.

maybe not a perfect proxy of "open borderism", but 17% of american adults don't "worry at all" about illegal immigration. For them it's fine it exists, what's that if not "i would like open borders"?

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Do you know what happened in 1929 in America wrt immigration policy?

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Do you know what happened in 1929 in America wrt immigration policy?

The rise of fascism.

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02-05-2024 , 03:12 PM

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Canada filters for immigrant quality lol, i am asking to have a canada or australia like filter

Ah, so you'd like to see increased immigration in the US? Not what I expected.

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canada is a glorified colony.

I see.

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Do you know what happened in 1929 in America wrt immigration policy?

are you talking about the underpinnings of the start of the exact point i am making? where brown people were considered "undesired" which is similar to the policy you favor..

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are you talking about the underpinnings of the start of the exact point i am making? where brown people were considered "undesired" which is similar to the policy you favor..

1929 was when the USA decided to block Mexicans. Of course that sort of racist/fascist immigration policy goes back to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

As if the Chinese immigrants (notably building the rail network) weren't absolutely one of the most crucial parts of building so much of the future wealth and success of the USA.

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Italy, in particular and maybe second only to Japan, is absolutely ****ed without immigration.

There are like twice as many 50 year olds as people being born. The median age is 48.1 years old, behind only a couple microscopic countries and Japan. In 30 years, when all those 50 somethings are going to be 80 something, it's going to be ugly.

Imagine being Italian and against immigration.

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It would be interesting to see the wording of the question asking people if they want to increase immigration.

I would think if it said something like "do you think we should increase legal immigration?" most people (rebup & dem) would say no. However, if you said "Are you in favor of increasing legal immigration if you were guaranteed the government could get a handle on illegal immigration even if that meant a net increase in immigration?" I think most people would say yes.

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02-05-2024 , 07:33 PM

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Italy, in particular and maybe second only to Japan, is absolutely ****ed without immigration.

Yes Italy needs a lot of immigrants.

But not all people are the same.

Given the huge demand to immigrate into the EU, we should filter.

If after filtering hard we don't have enough, we should slightly lower the threshold, up until we fill the quota we need.

Garbage coming from boats is never going to make the cut however

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02-05-2024 , 07:34 PM

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They blocked Europeans as well

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02-05-2024 , 07:36 PM

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are you talking about the underpinnings of the start of the exact point i am making? where brown people were considered "undesired" which is similar to the policy you favor..

If something happened In 1929, then that's an American tradition.

Yours is a country with very little history, something happening in 1929 and lasting decades is what your country is about.

Yours isnt a nation of free immigration.

It's a nation built by selective immigration

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02-05-2024 , 07:39 PM

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The people you need are the people who are going to wheel you around in your wheelchair, wipe your garbage ass, drive the senior shuttle, etc, not people with PhDs in Microbiology.

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