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I don't have a problem with open borders personally but I think that people who advocate for it should at least recognize that there is a potential for more problems than benefits.

I think eventually some sort of stasis would argue though where eventually the US would become a country that people no longer wanted to come to.

some people actually do, "brain drain" considerations exist among thoughtful people

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02-02-2024 , 04:11 AM

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02-02-2024 , 06:41 AM

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I'd be fine if they came here, but I don't like people being shoved on busses and taken places against their will because I love freedom.

Most of the people would much rather be in a sanctuary city/state rather than Texas right? If your only issue is "against their will", then lol

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02-02-2024 , 06:48 AM

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I think eventually some sort of stasis would argue though where eventually the US would become a country that people no longer wanted to come to.

This might be the smartest commentary you ever posted

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02-02-2024 , 09:53 AM

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Most of the people would much rather be in a sanctuary city/state rather than Texas right? If your only issue is "against their will", then lol

There's more to that conversation, and maybe most people freely chose to go, but what are you lol'ing about? You think it would not be a big deal if people were not given a choice? Hmm, I guess it's probably just that you hate freedom.

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02-02-2024 , 09:57 AM

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If you want the government to send people with guns to do stuff to other people because they walked somewhere to look for jobs and a better place to live and raise their families, you are a freedom hater.

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02-02-2024 , 10:01 AM

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Most of the people would much rather be in a sanctuary city/state rather than Texas right? If your only issue is "against their will", then lol

Why is it lol to move people around against their will?

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02-02-2024 , 10:08 AM

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read it again

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02-02-2024 , 10:45 AM

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Why is it lol to move people around against their will?

It's lol to think that's what happened, not even democrats claim that.

At most they claim "false promises" were made to those people to convince them to get on those buses.

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02-02-2024 , 10:54 AM

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At most they claim "false promises" were made to those people to convince them to get on those buses.

Yes, it's not cool to lie to people.

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02-02-2024 , 12:32 PM

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It's lol to think that's what happened, not even democrats claim that.

At most they claim "false promises" were made to those people to convince them to get on those buses.

At least those people who were taken to Martha's Vineyard were lied to about where they were being taken.

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02-02-2024 , 01:49 PM

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I have a moral problem with the idea of open borders.

I know people who move between countries are looking for a better life, but the peoples' country they are moving into is likely nicer their own country because the citizen of that country paid a lot of money/time/energy to build infrastructure, an economy and a society that is a nice place to live. So of course others want to come and live in another country that other people invested in and they want some of the return on that investment.

A better way to do it is minimize illegal immigration and make part of legally immigration based off of what someone can bring to this country that will make it better.

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02-02-2024 , 02:19 PM

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At least those people who were taken to Martha's Vineyard were lied to about where they were being taken.

That was Florida doing it, even if they rounded up venezuelans in Texas.

Abbott didn't even know about it until after the fact.

And it was by plane.

And the alleged false promises werent such, they got tricked in the sense that they never knew Florida state money was being that, but they knew very well they were sent north in heavily-democrat area and they agreed about that.

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02-02-2024 , 02:26 PM

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I know people who move between countries are looking for a better life, but the peoples' country they are moving into is likely nicer their own country because the citizen of that country paid a lot of money/time/energy to build infrastructure, an economy and a society that is a nice place to live. So of course others want to come and live in another country that other people invested in and they want some of the return on that investment.

I don't see the problem, honcho.

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02-02-2024 , 03:22 PM

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I think the lie was that they were told they were going to Boston but instead went to Martha's vineyard, although that could have been something lost in translation as I know at least one said they wanted to go "to the island".

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02-02-2024 , 03:34 PM

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I certainly want the ability to be able to travel to any country I want with minimal restrictions so it would be pretty hypocritical to demand more of others when visiting the US. If I can fly to Guatemala on a one-way ticket and not need to have my finances analyzed then Guatemalans should have that same right to go the US, and I certainly don't feel like I've built any roads although I'm sure all that money that's been stolen from me has gone somewhere.

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02-02-2024 , 03:40 PM

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If you are a much much much better prospect for the receiving country (and it's obvious that financially you clearly are) than the people whose movement you want to control why do you feel bad at the idea of asymmetry?

People aren't all the same and should be treated accordingly

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02-02-2024 , 03:45 PM

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I understand the logic behind it all of course but it goes against my fundamentals

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02-02-2024 , 04:47 PM

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Met a guy just now whose English is way too good for him to have not lived in the US so I asked him and said 23 years and back in Guatemala since 2011. I asked him why he decided to come back after 23 years and the answer was because in the US it's all just work and that life is better here.

Of course he's also working at a hostel in a small Pacific ocean beach town and I'm sure if he was in Guatemala City in some no go neighborhood he might have a different take.

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02-02-2024 , 04:59 PM

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The ability to travel more or less without restriction is something that many Americans take for granted. If you are a normal person in a relatively poor country, you may well have a tough time entering the U.S. legally, even if you have a plausible reason (e.g., visit family) and even if you can scrape together the money to make the trip.

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02-02-2024 , 05:30 PM

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I don't see the problem, honcho.

Well a lot of people don't see a problem with stealing from billion dollar retails so I'm not surprised that some won't understand what I am saying. This is loosely the same deal where one group of people is not paying their fair share and the other is paying more that their fair share, but in this case the line of what is a fair share is blurred.

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The cockpit on a plane is designed to prevent people from going into the cockpit and allow someone to easily leave the cockpit. You figure out what that means and you will figure out why it is harder for people from poor countries to visit rich countries than people from rich countries to visit poor countries.

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02-02-2024 , 06:00 PM

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Sure although even poor people in Latin America can travel to many neighboring countries-- Mercosur passport holders have free reign in any other mercosur nation and I think the same holds for most central American nations.

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02-02-2024 , 06:57 PM

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Just the visa takes weeks and hundreds of dollars. It takes a lot of pre-planning and sometimes the embass/consulate is just bureaucratically incompetent and your trip gets cancelled for no fault of your own.

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02-02-2024 , 07:13 PM

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No one stealing anything when they emigrate to a different country.

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02-02-2024 , 07:40 PM

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No one stealing anything when they emigrate to a different country.

this is like the bedrock belief of republican/conservative politics. they didnt do **** to earn any of these benefits but someone trying to get the same benefits they enjoy is "stealing" from them.

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