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04-20-2023 , 12:46 PM
I didn’t see an immigration thread so I figured I would add one. This problem seems to be worsening everyday of the current admin. Hopefully some of our new elected officials can help with this. Mr. Luttrell is a great start

https://youtu.be/OU01_YO6JPs
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04-20-2023 , 04:08 PM
Is it really a crisis? Like what is the big deal.
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04-20-2023 , 04:20 PM
White replacement fear porn from conservative media.
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04-20-2023 , 07:23 PM
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Is it really a crisis? Like what is the big deal.
The southern border is effectively open right now. From personal experience, my family property just outside of San Antonio has gone from having 1 instance of illegals crossing through every few years to 3-4 a week in the past two years. There has always been illegal immigration from the South but now it has become a crisis. Folks from all over the world have taken notice of it and are using the southern border as their entrance. The current administration has it set up that these folks are literally caught and released. The border agents that remove them from our property complain that their hands are tied. Many have lost hope in the system entirely as this is not what they signed up for. This is a national security issue. Some Americans that live so far away like to pretend that this is a non-issue. But when our governor sends them to major cities, they begin to see the problem. I suspect your question is a troll though because this crisis is no longer much of a secret.
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04-21-2023 , 12:22 PM
let 'em in. problem solved.
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04-21-2023 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
let 'em in. problem solved.
That's what the marthas vineyard folks said day 1 and 2. By day 4-5, they needed them gone. Was pretty comical. Abbott needs to keep sending them all over. Biden is just trying to import votes.
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04-21-2023 , 11:46 PM
~2:45 was pretty sweet. "Back that up buddy. I identify as a man and I don't have any pronouns."
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04-22-2023 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
That's what the marthas vineyard folks said day 1 and 2. By day 4-5, they needed them gone. Was pretty comical. Abbott needs to keep sending them all over. Biden is just trying to import votes.
Yeah, gosh, that sure was funny. Definitely needs to keep doing it - it's not like these are human beings or something.
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04-22-2023 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, gosh, that sure was funny. Definitely needs to keep doing it - it's not like these are human beings or something.
You say that as if he sent them into danger.
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04-22-2023 , 12:54 AM
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You say that as if he sent them into danger.
No, I just say it like they shouldn't be political pawns.
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04-22-2023 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, gosh, that sure was funny. Definitely needs to keep doing it - it's not like these are human beings or something.
At the end of the day all that matters is whether they're better off in Massachusetts or Texas or Florida or wherever....and no one knows the answer there. But since apparently most of the Venezuelans who were sent to Massachusetts are still in Massachusetts, apparently they're doing fine there.
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04-22-2023 , 01:14 AM
No, I don't think it is - as we would say on a poker forum, that's results-oriented thinking.

Unless I misunderstand how it first happened - pretty sure it was done as a complete surprise, no preparations made, and no idea how it would go. If it all worked out, that's great, but that doesn't make it a good idea to do again in the same way.
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04-22-2023 , 01:22 AM
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No, I don't think it is - as we would say on a poker forum, that's results-oriented thinking.

Unless I misunderstand how it first happened - pretty sure it was done as a complete surprise, no preparations made, and no idea how it would go. If it all worked out, that's great, but that doesn't make it a good idea to do again in the same way.
Obviously it was always going to work out great for them because they were thrust into the spotlight. Future Venezuelans sent to Massachusetts wouldn't be getting the same level of media attention as the first set, but it's definitely reasonable to think that the first ones were very fortunate.

And was never going to be the case that they got to Martha's Vineyard and just starved to death-- so the idea that who knows what could have happened to them is just wrong.

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04-22-2023 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It was never going to be the case that they got to Martha's Vineyard and just starved to death.
No, of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that it was nothing but a publicity stunt/political move, and as you've alluded to, doing it again in the same way likely wouldn't go as well.
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04-22-2023 , 01:33 AM
I've had the chance to meet a bunch of Venezuelans lately. I just left Colombian today to go back to the US (spending the night in the Fort Lauderdale airport currently).

But spent the last couple days in Guatapé which is a tourist town a couple hours from Medellin, and I was there a couple weeks ago too. And like half the town is Venezuelan and basically all of the line-level hotel and restaurant staff.

And so I had the opportunity to talk Venezuela with a bunch of them and get their perspective on the future of their country. One guy told me that maybe in 2-3 years things will get to the point that tourists could start travelling there again, and another one told me he doesn't see that happening ever.

I would love to travel there though and would now if I had someone to show me around.

Ironically-- the US dollar is now the defacto currency there (like in Ecuador)-- but I still don't quite understand how the economy functions because unlike in Ecuador ATMs aren't spitting out USD.

When I was in Colombia in 2018 though I saw a bunch of Venezuelan tent encampments, and I didn't see any of that on this trip. So it seems like they are a lot more settled now in Colombia.

The topic of Venezuelans in the US never came up, but Venezuelans in Peru did come up and it's interesting I guess that they have faced some xenophobia there. Colombians embrace them though, and back when Colombia was going through its long period of violence and Venezuela was prospering, Colombians would flee there.
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04-22-2023 , 01:44 AM
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No, of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that it was nothing but a publicity stunt/political move, and as you've alluded to, doing it again in the same way likely wouldn't go as well.
Sure. It would probably still go fine of course but they just wouldn't be hitting the jackpot the way the first ones did.

But I also don't think any of them would care that they were used in a stunt. These are people who traveled over land from South America. This means crossing the Darrien gap, dealing with smugglers, and travelling the entire length of central America.

On the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs scale, you have to be doing quite well before you get upset about being used as a political prop-- especially when you come out ahead as a result of it.
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04-26-2023 , 08:27 AM
85,000 kids unaccounted for and unable to reach in the last two years
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05-15-2023 , 09:34 AM
Hard to believe this was the Dems than

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05-15-2023 , 12:41 PM
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Hard to believe this was the Dems than

Then you are really going to be amazed by this clip.

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05-15-2023 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Sure. It would probably still go fine of course but they just wouldn't be hitting the jackpot the way the first ones did.

But I also don't think any of them would care that they were used in a stunt. These are people who traveled over land from South America. This means crossing the Darrien gap, dealing with smugglers, and travelling the entire length of central America.

On the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs scale, you have to be doing quite well before you get upset about being used as a political prop-- especially when you come out ahead as a result of it.

This is an exciting new way to justify abusing immigrants.
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05-15-2023 , 01:06 PM
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Then you are really going to be amazed by this clip.

Wow what a reversal by both . Free Speech seems to have gone that route as well
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05-15-2023 , 03:51 PM
Build the wall make the wildlings pay for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg
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05-16-2023 , 03:04 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-migrant-group

This is a great example of why we need better border security amongst many other reasons. I fully agree with Ronalds take from the above video. The borders first need to be controlled, then we can come up with a practical system to let vetted individuals come in to work and pay taxes.
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05-16-2023 , 05:37 AM
send em to canada we are trying to get to 100 million in a few decades. actually consider most western countrys are trending towards population declines its not a big deal.

What you guys need to do tho is get the non poor Mexicans like canada does. maybe build some sort of barrier so you can decided who comes in or something
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06-22-2023 , 03:31 PM
a lot of folks that live nowhere near the border like to pretend an open border policy is a non-issue. Read the tweet below. Obviously, this is a huge reason to have an enforceable border

https://twitter.com/repluttrell/stat...1L7nuWyyHo8pmg
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