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03-28-2024 , 01:37 PM

#851

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Originally Posted by lozen

We are also selective in whom we bring in and also allow seasonal migration from Mexico.

Yeah, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, The UAE have this model for labor. How enlightened of you Canada!

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03-28-2024 , 01:40 PM

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By all means, stop allowing in people who do construction work. That ought to help you with your housing crisis.

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Yeah, people with $0 in their pockets are the ones driving up housing costs.

You do realize with legal migration they need to live somewhere and generally rent. I know from my history with rentals immigrants are by far better tenants than fair skinned white folks

Try googling supply and demand that may help you understand a housing crisis

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03-28-2024 , 01:51 PM

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By all means, stop allowing in people who do construction work. That ought to help you with your housing crisis.

you have this odd and mistaken obsession with a false belief that the lack of low income housing is due to not enough workers to build it when it's rather that developers pursue higher ROI projects and only build this stuff when the government mandates or subsidizes it enough to where it has the same ROI as building high end properties

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03-28-2024 , 01:52 PM

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Demand isn't how badly people want something, it's how much they are willing and able to pay for it.

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03-28-2024 , 01:54 PM

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No, I've never said that and I don't disagree with you - though it's a combination of restrictions on land and zoning along with higher ROIs building for rich people that prevents affordable housing.

Regardless, no housing will be built without construction workers. Like 20% of all houses in Texas are newer than 15 years old. Most of them are for upper-middle class people, sure, but it could never happen without a ton of immigrants in Texas.

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03-28-2024 , 01:54 PM

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Demand isn't how badly people want something, it's how much they are willing and able to pay for it.

yes, so do you see now why people who aren't able to pay as much would get squeezed out and it's not due to a lack of people able to build the homes?

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03-28-2024 , 02:01 PM

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yes, so do you see now why people who aren't able to pay as much would get squeezed out and it's not due to a lack of people able to build the homes?

Yeah, and it's why it's rich people and absentee owners and corporate owners who cause the housing crisis in California and not immigrants.

In Texas you can have poor people living in little old houses though while they build big new houses for people who leave California because they can't afford it and home prices for those McMansions aren't quite as crazy in Texas.

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03-28-2024 , 02:14 PM

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How many of you guys are landlords? Lozen, Ins0, anyone else?

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03-28-2024 , 02:21 PM

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How many of you guys are landlords? Lozen, Ins0, anyone else?

does that include people who own residential REITs?

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03-28-2024 , 02:28 PM

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How many of you guys are landlords? Lozen, Ins0, anyone else?

I was in the 90s. Ins0 works for a landlord/company I think.

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03-28-2024 , 02:34 PM

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I was a landlord on and off for about 6 years

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03-28-2024 , 02:48 PM

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So we're up to five!

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03-28-2024 , 03:12 PM

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but on the same token you now must concede the key focus here, is that there's already a desperate shortage of affordable housing in metropolitan regions the USA and bringing in hundreds of thousands of migrants isn't going to make that magically go away - even if 100% of all new migrants starting building homes, they would be building homes they couldn't afford to live in

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03-28-2024 , 03:15 PM

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Shoutout MAGA for continuing to give us and cater to the stupidest human beings to walk the earth

this is a big reason why it's tough to debate this fruitfully, you have a lot of people posting in bad faith on both sides

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03-28-2024 , 04:59 PM

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BoThSiDeS!1!

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03-28-2024 , 05:31 PM

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BoThSiDeS!1!

the gonzaga basketball team being migrants is just as true as "there's space for a million people right now in Cleveland"

gonzaga at least actually has some foreign nationals on the team

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03-28-2024 , 05:32 PM

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If life for immigrants is that bad for them here, then they won't come. But mostly they won't be coming to San Francisco and they'll be going to some crappy places in West Texas or Arizona or Merced where housing is more affordable. Or maybe where there's more housing than people like the depopulating midwest.

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03-28-2024 , 05:33 PM

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you haven't thought through the logistics

Maine has brought in plenty of immigrants and refugees lately, they are housed in converted abandoned warehouses in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do and nowhere to go because they don't have any cars and the nearest place of employment is 20 miles away

they may as well be in prison - it'd be no different

also, burglaries are up sharply where they warehouses are because that'll obviously happen when you have hundreds of people penned up in a warehouse with nothing to do all day

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03-28-2024 , 05:40 PM

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The problem is they don't have legal status and aren't allowed to work and it's illegal to hire them.

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03-28-2024 , 05:43 PM

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I think the idea here was agreeing on your side actually (ie admitting some people on the right are ****ed up in the head, we never denied that, we actually hate them more than you hate the monsters you have on your left, usually)

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03-28-2024 , 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

The people who died fixing potholes at 1am on the Baltimore bridge were from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Mexico.

These are the people that Luciom thinks are drags on society and should be shot if they try to cross the border.

luciom, like myself, seems to be a fan of latinos. he may be hesitant to post a list of countries he's not a fan of, as am i.

also, they were all UNION workers afaik, which means they were legal citizens.

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03-28-2024 , 06:05 PM

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And this legal vs illegal is transparent bullshit. No one who says this wants anywhere near the numbers of people who come and want to come here.

And anyway, they likely weren't. Two thirds of Guatemalans and Honduras in the US are currently undocumented. The one guy I saw any details on had been in the US for 18 years and likely got some kind of amnesty or something in that time, but most likely originally just crossed the border without permission.

i dont see why you are so against setting up boundaries on how many people can come here. at some point, maybe not now, a tipping point will be reached.

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03-28-2024 , 06:07 PM

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i dont see why you are so against setting up boundaries on how many people can come here. at some point, maybe not now, a tipping point will be reached.

A tipping point where'd they rather not come?

I'm so against it because I think it's wrong, as in immoral.

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03-28-2024 , 06:07 PM

#874

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Originally Posted by lozen

Those are the people we do want coming into the country. We have a shortage of trades . Trust me I build houses I have looked into bringing in temporary workers from Mexico. I personally do not care what color my trades are . Though I do not pay cash under the table

You do realize with legal migration they need to live somewhere and generally rent. I know from my history with rentals immigrants are by far better tenants than fair skinned white folks

Try googling supply and demand that may help you understand a housing crisis

i am union trade member and highly, highly suggest both hiring mexicans and help getting them their papers. fantastic people to work with.

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03-28-2024 , 06:08 PM

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i dont see why you are so against setting up boundaries on how many people can come here. at some point, maybe not now, a tipping point will be reached.

We have a hundred + years of history pointing to you being completely wrong and literally just your opinion to the contrary

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