if you have terrible work that's low paying to the point where native citizens refuse to do it

then the you're an @sshole if you want to bring in victims from abroad and let them do it instead

the solution can be done internally, without importing victims those places would either automate or raise wages dramatically in order to entice locals to take on those jobs

we have 41.2 million Americans living on foodstamps who still won't take those jobs because they'd rather be on food stamps than work in a slaughterhouse for $7.15 an hour

if that wage went up to $24 an hour and the cost of chicken went up by 3 cents a pound that's the ideal solution, not bringing in outsiders


covid put a huge slowdown on immigration and that result has forced places like mcdonald's to dramatically increase wages because now they need to hire locals

I don't know what the impact on chicken prices would be if working in a chicken slaughterhouse paid well enough for someone to live on without having to live in a chicken coop themselves and had reasonable safety procedures, but whatever that amount is, people don't want to pay it and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Welfare is just (as in fair/justice) btw. Ethically no one owns natural resources or everyone owns them equally. Those who use more than their share, either in consumption or production, should pay rent to those who use less.

https://ir.tyson.com/files/doc_finan...-10k-final.pdf

it would be very low

Thinking you could triple the wage of everyone involved in getting chicken to the grocery store and chicken prices would go up by only $0.03/pound is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, sir.

And posting a 128 page PDF with almost no context is nonsense.

it was not shared without context, it's called a 10k and details the companies financial status, if you even skimmed that, you'd see they'd be just fine increasing wages from $7


their shipping costs alone went up by over 400 million dollars last year, they gave out tens of millions in stock options and bonuses to the executives

the cost of chicken dropped from 4.35 per pound to 4.08 in the stores despite adding over 500 million in additional costs last year

they'll be fine

A way to make a stronger claim on your side would be to guesstimate the total wages being paid right now in the slaughterhouses and point how trebling them would have little impact on gross margins

yeah that's fair but it can't be done because they don't breakdown what percentage of their employees are line workers and how many of them are part time

they have 120,000 employees in America and line workers make about $15 an hour

maybe it's half that amount, maybe 3/4 are line workers, maybe even 1/3 - it'd be dangerous to assume what it is

this is also the kind of industry that probably relies heavily on part time labor, so again, you can't just do x workers x $9 more an hour * 40 hours a week

Mcdonalds has increased wages significantly post covid, they are also doing better than ever

I feel like $18 for a big Mac is eventually going to hurt then. I've already reached the never-going-there-again stage myself.

Senior coffee is over $1 now too. Not good.

We shouldn’t even be entertaining the idea that increasing the cost of labor by 200% will increase the price of chicken less than 1%.

I think an end result would be the executives not having as much profit to pay themselves so much or do large stock buybacks but that's just crazy talk.

The people who died fixing potholes at 1am on the Baltimore bridge were from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Mexico.

These are the people that Luciom thinks are drags on society and should be shot if they try to cross the border.

They've moved all their deals over to the app. Its incredibly cheap to eat at McDonalds still.

I got a quarter pounder and a spicy mcchicken for 3 dollars last night

After you're in Latin America you have to easy yourself back into US fast food. I'll be starting with In-and-Out

Your just assuming they were here illegally ?

He's assuming that Luciom feels the same about all people from those countries regardless of their immigration status.

Thats a smart play for them. I ate at mcdonalds once in the last 5 years, only becauae i ended up there with no real alternative and dont use the app. So i over paid for complete dog **** food. The app gets people in the habit of eating their garbage more consistantly.

Theyll probably start charging a yearly membership plan like costco.

No, I'm just assuming Luciom doesn't want people from Latin America who have useful skills and will do the work that people need to do stuff like drive across a bridge or eat food instead of PhDs to be allowed in. I say that because I read what he posts.

There is something like 55-60% chance they are here illegally if they are from the northern triangle

I'm going to guess that it takes about a day to be trained on fixing potholes. Could be just an hour or two but by the end of the day they're fixing them all by themselves and feeling comfortable about it.

And this legal vs illegal is transparent bullshit. No one who says this wants anywhere near the numbers of people who come and want to come here.

And anyway, they likely weren't. Two thirds of Guatemalans and Honduras in the US are currently undocumented. The one guy I saw any details on had been in the US for 18 years and likely got some kind of amnesty or something in that time, but most likely originally just crossed the border without permission.

Is there anything wrong with having immigration targets . Here in Canada we have some of the highest immigration rates with us taking almost 1/2 million folks in 2022 . We are also selective in whom we bring in and also allow seasonal migration from Mexico. The issue were running into is we do not have the housing for these individuals which results in driving up housing prices and rents .

By all means, stop allowing in people who do construction work. That ought to help you with your housing crisis.

Yeah, people with $0 in their pockets are the ones driving up housing costs.

Three families from Honduras moved into the 2 bedroom house across the street and real estate prices are skyrocketing!