Didn’t ask you about that

You said you’re an expert. Present credentials pls.


Don’t know who is winning. I think Russia is winning because I think Russia has momentum and readiness for a longer fight than the west will tolerate.

No they were ****ed in 2014 cause the west left them defenseless like idiots. Nobody believed me when I told them Putin was gonna try to retake Eastern Europe to make ussr again

Yes when they lose Russia will do whatever they can to continue the genocide and then move to extermination

Pettiness off the charts. It's clear I'm pointing out the absurdity of his constant appeals to authority and not actually stating I'm an expert. The qualifier "ITT" is pretty significant you bozo.

PW: we've been over this before. If you want to ask questions you should answer them too. Feel free to answer, I keep answering yours and getting nothing in return for some reason.

Read again pls.

US Intel state Putin most likely didn't order Alexei Navalny's murder but still hold him responsible overall for his death.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-drone-attack/

From a total dick point of view getting rid of weapons we had to get rid of a bunch of bullets that kill an enemy of the USA and discovering new doctrine on modern weapons is really the perfect outcome from the USA #1 line of thinking. Sure loss of human life is bad but we are learning so much that will make the USA stronger in the future which will only make the survival of the human raise more likely. Yes Victor you can call me a cynical war monger with no feelings but it is all about the big picture. Plus if Russia left then the killing would stop this is on them

So according to my Twitter thread, it seems increasingly likely Russia is just going to win a war of attrition, irregardless of Western material support. But I dont have any informed opinion of my own, and sometimes Twitter can be wrong.

Is this the impression you are getting?

And what does "Russia winning" even mean? Does it mean eventually a peace is made with Russia keeping large chunks of Eastern Ukraine?

lol

well we stopped helping materially for what, like 4-6 months? with that trend the war of attrition perspective was very pro Russia yes.

But the bold, how can we claim that so easily?

As for Russia winning i know BGP disagrees but if they can keep donbass and they stop losing men and equipment there, they win

You can see the map of the breach in my last post. It's bad. The current state of the war is the worst since the initial invasion. The delay in aid caused some extremely difficult situations for Ukraine and we're seeing the results from that now. The recently passed aid is probably going to arrive in 2 weeks or so. Ukraine just passed their mobilization bill, which should have been passed months ago but they couldn't reach a consensus for it (very much like a democracy and very much unlike a warmongering Nazi authoritarian government), so things will be grim for awhile. It was clear for awhile that Ukraine would be losing ground for pretty much all of 2024, but the mobilization issue combined with the aid issue made things far worse.

Putin realized that this is likely his best opportunity to do anything so he's been throwing everyone he's got at Ukraine even though the weather is not good for it. Russian losses (despite the lack of ammo on Ukraine's side) are outrageous. There is likely going to be a "Summer Offensive" when the weather is better, but no one knows what that means. It could be a return to actual tactics using heavy equipment which has been kept in reserve and units which have been training for awhile, or it could just be more of whatever the hell is going on now.

In the event that Ukraine's line breaks now Putin would have some new land which he's destroyed to stick a flag on and spin as a victory. His winning conditions have shrunk immensely and despite the fact that all of his stated goals are far worse off from when he stated this war, his is economy ruined, his world standing ruined, and being unable to travel freely due to an ICC arrest warrant on his head, he will try to spin this as "winning" and his far right and tankie amplifiers will repeat his propaganda as they always do. If this happens then it's possible that a "peace" settlement in favor of Russia will be forced, likely leading to a frozen conflict and sporadic fighting until Russia invades again.

However if Ukraine holds their lines and solves the mobilization issue then it's likely things are downhill for Putin all of 2025 and 2026. Putin realizes this which is why he's pushing so hard now. Putin's current strategy is an extreme gamble in attempt to avoid a war of attrition, which likely does not favor him. He is trying to end the war before it truly comes down to attrition, and he does not care about the meat waves that he's throwing at the problem.

I think we all more or less assumed (based on history) that this was going to be a Russian win over enough time?

I'm more curious how the endgame plays out now. I just couldn't see how the numbers added up to a victory for Ukraine. Its incredible this has gone this long.

It's early days.

The war in Afghanistan and the Vietnam War lasted 20 years and were completely pointless. 60,000 US soldiers died in Vietnam for nothing.

Zelensky and Biden won't admit defeat until the last Ukrainian is dead.

Yeah but Biden's presidency may not be long for this earth

Trump will support the war

which one

war in Vietnam was completely pointless.

war in Afghanistan wasn't.

war in Ukraine is exceptionally right and, most importantly, Ukrainian people want it

You guys need to qualify what a "Russian win" is if you want to declare what is going on now a win. Every single one of Putin's original goals is further from being accomplished than when the war began. His secondary goals of taking Kherson, Kharkiv and dismantling Ukraine's army is further away than when the war began. His third set of goals, making Ukraine a failed state and grabbing enough destroyed territory that he can save face as he exist one of the greatest military blunders ever.

This will not be remembered as a victory. It seems like many people expect a war to have a winner and a loser, see the destruction in Ukraine and automatically declare Ukraine the loser and by default Russia is the winner, but that is not the case.




This is absolutely correct. Trump would support the war by trying to starve Ukraine of a means to defend themselves. We saw what his MAGA stooges were able to accomplish in the past half year, and we've seen how that translates to the war: increased Russian aggression, strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure, and notably NOT PEACE. Why this is the case has been explained since the war even began, and has been explained numerous times since. There is a reason that Russia's propaganda is repeated by MAGA so much. If you look at the words of those who support Russia ITT (whether knowingly or not), they all sound the exact same as MAGA since they all get their sources from the same place: the Kremlin. I've done comparisons of Victor to MTG who sound the exact same, and there's other examples too. On the last page I've got a few far right practically quoting the Kremlin and then being quoted in turn by MAGA/Tankies here.

It is shocking that people ITT still use "peace" as a euphemism for genocide and the destruction of a country for imperialist conquest in quite possibly the most blatant case of Orwellianism. And no, claiming you support a "peace deal" which is designed to enable a further invasion is not supporting peace. It is supporting holding off the war long enough for the war to come back stronger and more intense resulting in more deaths and genocide.

Nobody supports the peace deal as you describe it. You are just making **** up.

And Trump will absolutely support Ukraine. Bet on it.

Yeah. I guess Russia and its Western sycophants are going to claim a "win" by any outcome where they keep parts of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. But yeah, it would be a very Pyrrhic victory to say the least given where Russia was 2 years ago compared to now.

We know what the April peace deal entailed, you supported it. You said you don't think Russia would have invaded again if Ukraine signed the April peace deal (lol). You claim anyone who didn't support it is a warmonger. You say if someone doesn't support it they are using some Orwellian "war is peace", which is ironic as I've pointed out above. You say and MTG are aligned on this and that MTG wants peace because you two are suggesting the same thing (which would obviously lead to genocide and increased war). If you are changing your opinion finally, then great, but stop bringing up your "I support peace and no one else does" lie as it is total nonsense based on a "peace treaty" which you now seem to acknowledge which have led to an even worse outcome than we see today.

No I think a peace deal could have been hammered out in April or whenever. USA doesn't want peace so they aren't helping.

Legit don't gaf what MTG lol says bc I'm not a lib brained Nato worshiper.

No, that's a major goalpost shift. Every time the nature of the peace deal was brought up you screamed warmonger and Orwell. Every time it was mentioned that the peace deal relied on trusting Putin, you said essentially said he could be trusted... "I don't think Russia would have invaded again", or replied with something meaningless like "well no one can be trusted so what if Putin can't?"

If USA was present at the peace deal you would have been screaming that Ukraine is a proxy, since they weren't there Ukraine is a warmonger and USA won't help. You were never saying the April deal was bad and it "could have worked", you were saying everyone who didn't accept it is a warmonger. It seems like you're finally waking up to reality and shifting your goalposts which is great, but please stop the bs about everyone who didn't agree with the peace deal in April being against peace. Some people just realized what the peace deal would mean long term much quicker.

Ukraine gave a good faith effort to get a peace deal, and Russia returned their perfectly deal with giving themselves a veto power over anyone helping Ukraine, and also limiting Ukraine's military to a size that would be steamrolled in a future invasion. It is clear where Putin was going with this. "With proper incentives it could have worked" is bs because proper incentives clearly didn't and don't exist.






I'm not saying you gaf what MTG says. I'm saying since you both take your cues from the same place you both end up saying the same thing. itsallthesame.jpeg. MTG wants to help Putin, you wanted "peace" immediately no matter the cost, which would have ended up helping Putin launch a more successful invasion in the future. Now that you realize this hopefully you can see the awful predicament that Ukraine is in and stop trying to paint them as people worthy of genocide and imperialist invasions by calling them Nazis, posting to conspiracy theories, and calling them warmongerers for defending themselves against a truly horrific aggressor.

USA fomented Nazi coup?

Inveterate lying