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Even if he takes another city, he still hasn't won. If he gets a ceasefire now then he hasn't won either. Both of those outcomes (especially the first) would be losing less than if Ukraine managed to retake territory, but it's far more important to get Ukraine out of the war and into a situation where they can have long term peace so they can rebuild than it is to continue increasing losses for Putin.

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04-25-2024 , 09:08 AM

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I dont like genocide and apartheid. if Israel stopped doing that then I wouldnt care.

putin took ukrainian children away from their families in the donbas man

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04-25-2024 , 09:16 AM

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And mass executed people, and raped, and tortured, and set up prison camps, and deported people, and starved people.

Victor thinks this is not insane and not morally bankrupt.

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04-25-2024 , 10:24 AM

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right, thats why I want a cease fire.

you guys want to keep on attacking Palestinians. thats the difference.

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04-25-2024 , 10:28 AM

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We've been over this: just about everyone wants a cease fire. Only Putin bootlickers want a cease fire that is overwhelmingly likely to result in another invasion and all of the things that you don't consider genocide.

The reason you don't care if it results in another invasion or not-genocide is because by your own standards you don't think not-genocide or imperialist conquests are insane or morally bankrupt.

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04-26-2024 , 02:40 PM

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right, thats why I want a cease fire.

you guys want to keep on attacking Palestinians. thats the difference.

There aren't any Palestinians in Ukraine. And it doesn't matter what you want. It only matters what Putin wants -- which is the total destruction of Ukraine, its culture, its people and its language -- and what the West wants, which is the defeat of Putin, because if he's not defeated in Ukraine he will simply move on to Poland and the Baltic states and further on from there, because that's what mad conquistador dictators do. Imagining that Putin will just settle for the Donbass is like imagining that Hitler would just settle for the Sudetenland.

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04-26-2024 , 02:48 PM

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There are Ukrainian in Gaza tho.

But regardless I just disagree with your assessment and assumptions.

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04-26-2024 , 03:18 PM

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Putin would have preferred a Belarus 2.0 in Ukraine rather than the above.

But when faced with a possibility of a European Ukraine he prefers genocide yes.

He wouldn't move toward NATO because he doesn't want us to defeat him, but he would move to Moldova and Georgia

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04-26-2024 , 03:51 PM

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reminder that Belarus initially sought to align with the West. in response they tried a color revolution and Lukashenko had to give in to Putins demands, in particular for a base, to stay in power.

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04-26-2024 , 03:55 PM

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Why not just move to Russia vic? That way you'll be closer to your bff

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04-26-2024 , 04:02 PM

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I dunno. why dont you move to Ukraine or move to Gaza so you can murder children?

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04-26-2024 , 04:08 PM

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Cuz I could murder a child in Ireland, tf would I wanna go all the way to some weird foreign place to do it? Duh.

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04-26-2024 , 04:11 PM

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oh ok, well glad that you are anti-Israel. welcome comrade.

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04-26-2024 , 04:13 PM

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oh ok, well glad that you are anti-Israel. welcome comrade.

Eh? I'm not anti Israel whatever do you mean with such a scurrilous statement? Disclose yourself!

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04-26-2024 , 04:17 PM

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reminder that Belarus initially sought to align with the West. in response they tried a color revolution and Lukashenko had to give in to Putins demands, in particular for a base, to stay in power.

Is there anything where you disagree with Kremlin propaganda? Like one thing?

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04-26-2024 , 04:48 PM

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Eh? I'm not anti Israel whatever do you mean with such a scurrilous statement? Disclose yourself!

oh bad. when you said you didnt want children murdered I though you had seen the light.

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04-26-2024 , 04:49 PM

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Is there anything where you disagree with Kremlin propaganda? Like one thing?

how is that Kremlin propaganda. its a thing that happened. you can loom it up.

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04-26-2024 , 05:03 PM

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oh bad. when you said you didnt want children murdered I though you had seen the light.

I said I didn't want to go traipsing half way across the world to do it man, jeez.

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04-26-2024 , 05:12 PM

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well why would I want to traipse to Russia to do the same thing I do here which is nothing?

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04-26-2024 , 05:14 PM

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well why would I want to traipse to Russia to do the same thing I do here which is nothing?

You're clearly not happy in AmeriKKKa vic and just as clearly have a raging man crush on mad Vlad. I just want what's best for you is all.

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04-26-2024 , 08:17 PM

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reminder that Belarus initially sought to align with the West. in response they tried a color revolution and Lukashenko had to give in to Putins demands, in particular for a base, to stay in power.

There's some half truths in here, but mostly it's Victor anti-west fan fic.