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04-01-2024 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
OK, so find some of these mass executions and assassinations of pro-Russian politicians who didn't commit treason between 2014 and 2019 instead of one after both the full scale invasion and the election in question.

yes
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04-01-2024 , 01:54 AM
russian politicians were probably well protected or too smart to get assasinated and or ukraine didnt go for that then.
so there arent any I could find in 2014.
after 2014, no problem, there are many.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ia/ar-BB1kDz0P
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04-01-2024 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
OK, so find some of these mass executions and assassinations of pro-Russian politicians who didn't commit treason between 2014 and 2019 instead of one after both the full scale invasion and the election in question.
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Originally Posted by washoe
yes
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04-01-2024 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WotPeed
I see you've met washoe.
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04-03-2024 , 08:52 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a-isis-crocus/

https://archive.is/Uu9O8




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While Washington routinely shares information about possible terrorist attacks with foreign countries, under a policy known as the “duty to warn,” it is unusual to give information about specific targets to an adversary, officials and experts said. Doing so risks revealing how the United States obtained the intelligence, potentially putting clandestine surveillance activities or human sources at risk.



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Islam Khalilov, 15, who said he was working in the concert hall’s coat check on the night of the attack, said that Crocus staff had been told about the possibility of a terrorist attack, not long after the March 7 public warning. “We were warned there could be terrorist attacks and we were instructed in what to do and where to take people,” Khalilov said in an interview with Dmitry Yegorov, a well-known Russian sports journalist, that was posted on YouTube. Khalilov said there had been stricter security checks at the venue, including with trained dogs.
LOL at trying to blame this on USA.








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Putin emphasized that the FSB’s most important job was in Ukraine, as part of what he euphemistically called Russia’s “special military operation.” Putin equated Ukrainian forces with terrorists and suggested that they posed a direct threat to Russia. “The neo-Nazi Kyiv regime has also switched to terrorist tactics,” Putin said, including “attempts to recruit perpetrators of subversive and terrorist attacks targeting critical infrastructure and public spaces in Russia.”
Or Ukraine.



One of the gunmen has allegedly been tortured to death.
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04-03-2024 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WotPeed

I meant thats what we gotta do here is to find these people.
Honestly I dont know if these people exist or not.
thats why I was asking for confirmation from native ukranians, who dont even post here anymore, apparently.
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04-03-2024 , 06:50 PM
The way I prefer to history is to look at the evidence then create conclusions from that evidence, not the other way around.
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04-03-2024 , 06:52 PM
Putin said in the interview with tucker that 2014 was a bloodbath and
that they lit people on fire. what people is he talking about?
not politicians? maybe. I thought he was talking about politicians.
but he probably meant mostly other people.


anyway, did you see the report from RT just now`?
over 90% of ukrainian people do not want to go to war with russia, do NOT want to take part and risk their lives in this war.
where does zele get his soldiers from?
over 80k troops lost this year alone on the ukrainian side.
how long can they keep going at this rate?
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04-03-2024 , 06:56 PM
He was probably referring to the trade union building in Odessa.
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04-03-2024 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
He was probably referring to the trade union building in Odessa.

is that where asov or other ukranian nazies lit people on fire?
then thats what he must have meant.
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04-03-2024 , 06:59 PM
Washoe, you're getting worse. Your words are just a scrambled mess right now. Go see a psychiatrist if you can.
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04-03-2024 , 07:01 PM
lol
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04-03-2024 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
is that where asov or other ukranian nazies lit people on fire?
then thats what he must have meant.
No this is not that. Although in Putin's warped mind he probably confuses (or lies) and says this is what happened.

It is well documented and easy to look up.
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04-04-2024 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
No this is not that. Although in Putin's warped mind he probably confuses (or lies) and says this is what happened.

It is well documented and easy to look up.
Thank you


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes

46 pro Russian died during these clashes vs 2 pro Ukranians.
Yes he probably meant that.


"Shots were fired by both sides, and the pro-Ukraine protesters attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other.[27][28][29]

The clashes resulted in deaths of 48 people, 46 of whom were anti-Maidan/pro-Russian activists.[30] 42 of the victims died in the Trade Unions House fire, and 200 were injured.[31] The events were the bloodiest civil conflict in the region since the Odessa Bolshevik uprising of 1918.[32] Although several alleged perpetrators were charged, there has yet to be a trial.[33] There are allegations that some police colluded with pro-Russian activists in the initial street clashes."
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04-04-2024 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
No this is not that. Although in Putin's warped mind he probably confuses (or lies) and says this is what happened.

It is well documented and easy to look up.
Putin lies id like to believe that. He probably does but not here.
everything points to this not being a lie.

46>2
42 died in the fire. Thats terrible.

Last edited by washoe; 04-04-2024 at 05:53 AM.
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04-04-2024 , 05:56 AM
In Putin's view "nazi" means anyone who is against Russia taking control of their country. I've seen no evidence that any nazis were involved here on either side.

When groups throw gasoline bombs at each other freak gasoline fight accidents can occur.

Off the top of my head, the trade union had a huge generator which was hit and blew up. Both sides were throwing gas bombs at each other, saying one side lit the other on fire is at best disingenuous.
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04-04-2024 , 06:14 AM
its kind of unbelievably impressive that the russians have got these people obsessing over the political leanings of a brigade of the ukrainian army consisting of about a thousand foot soldiers
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04-04-2024 , 06:19 AM
From what you can read here pro russians even started it.

you probably read it:


"Violence erupted on 2 May, when a 'United Ukraine' rally was attacked by pro-Russian separatists. Stones, petrol bombs and gunfire were exchanged; two pro-Ukraine activists and four pro-Russia activists were shot dead in the clashes.[23][24][25][26
"The pro-Ukraine protesters then moved to dismantle a pro-Russian protest camp in Kulykove Pole, causing some pro-Russian activists to barricade themselves in the nearby Trade Unions House. Shots were fired by both sides, and the pro-Ukraine protesters attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other."
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04-04-2024 , 06:20 AM
some of these signs and groups appear to be nazis

those are the groups on the ukraine side involved here


Pro-Maidan activists


social-national assembly are nazis for instance
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci...ional_Assembly

"In 2010, the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union reported the S.N.A and "Patriot of Ukraine" attacks Vietnamese and other foreign market stalls in Vasylkiv. Most attacks were carried out by youth and targeted Vietnamese, Uzbeks and Gypsie"
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04-04-2024 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
its kind of unbelievably impressive that the russians have got these people obsessing over the political leanings of a brigade of the ukrainian army consisting of about a thousand foot soldiers
especially when the russians themselves or they allies have a lot of soldiers with nazi simpathies

The leader of the self-proclaimed, unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, has been photographed awarding military decorations to a Russian soldier who has Nazi symbols on his uniform. Pushilin did so despite Russia justifying its aggressive attack on Ukraine, which has been going on since 24 February, by an alleged need to “de-Nazify” that country.

According to the Czech news server iDNES.cz, the independent MediaZona news server of Russia identified the honoree at the beginning of April as Roman Vorobyov, a Senior Lieutenant of the so-called “Somalia Battalion“. The photographs show him wearing a modified skull-and-crossbones on the sleeve of his uniform, which is the symbol of the former 3rd Tank Division SS Totenkopf (“Death’s Head”) from World War II.

Beneath the skull is a Nordic rune depicting three intertwined triangles, the so-called “Valknut“, a favorite neo-Nazi symbol. Pushilin awarded the St. George’s Military Cross to Vorobyov for his significant merit in the ongoing battles for Mariupol Port in Ukraine.

https://romea.cz/en/world/speaking-o...on-his-uniform
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04-04-2024 , 06:35 AM
There's tons of pics of Russians with nazi symbols, there was fsb agent awhile back with one of the fancy "totally not a swastika" symbols.

Ultimately noone cares because their actions are already far worse than running around sporting nazi symbols.

Meanwhile Ukrainians are just defending themselves so people need to find a way to attack them when they are the obviously morally correct side in this conflict.

If literally every Russian walked around with a swastika patch but they never invaded another country that would be preferable. This is why I often ask why people itt hate nazis so much (they often have just been conditioned to without any thought) and I rarely get a straight answer.


Meanwhile Ukraine is facing an existential crisis, which is the exact time that extremist ideas grow, and we are seeing that neo-nazism is shrinking if anything. It says a lot about their ideals, and also about those who are so desperate to vilify Ukrainians.
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04-04-2024 , 06:43 AM
Its at least a bit weird that putin tolerates nazis in russia.
yeah I dont get that. he is pointing fingers, but is doing nothing about his own nazi problem in russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia
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04-04-2024 , 06:44 AM
He does not care about nazis in the least bit. It is a useful tool to demonize the people he is trying to genocide, just look at some of the views itt.
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04-04-2024 , 06:48 AM
has he ever said or done anything about his nazis in rusich or wagner?
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04-04-2024 , 06:51 AM
Given them medals, awards, promotions, and money.
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