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03-05-2024 , 09:27 PM
We had a whole back and forth about it. After claiming you never meant that I went back and found like 5 quotes where you clearly meant it. You then said "Well my views change" despite the fact that one of the quotes was 3 days prior. You then kept posting the same takes. You were straight up saying that Zaluzhnyi is a neo-nazi warmonger who is running the show.

You said that Zelenskyy is an amoral warmonger backed by "banderistas" (because you'd just come across this term in your Russian propaganda and didn't realize it was actually 'banderites').

Now that he's been fired you're pivoting to "I just meant he had some power" while posting Russian propaganda saying that he's shoring up his neo-nazi base to enact another coup.
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03-05-2024 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
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MSNBC’s Joy Reid wondered out loud on Monday whether documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home were related to a rash of American spy deaths in 2021.

"The ReidOut" featured a panel discussing the news that a federal judge ordered an independent special master be appointed to review the documents seized by the FBI during its raid in August. While Reid and the panel condemned this judge for making Trump "untouchable," she also suggested that the classified documents surrounding Trump could have connections to CIA assets being murdered.

"While all of this is happening, we know that in 2021 that there was a rash of deaths of American spies. They were being caught. They were being killed. This is a very real and exigent circumstance. The CIA has admitted to that. Now, we are not saying that we know there is some connection between the purloined documents and those events. But they did happen at a time when Trump did have custody of some really sensitive information that he should not have had," Reid said

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...speculates.amp



This is from 2019, cnn

Washington(CNN) In a previously undisclosed secret mission in 2017, the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government, multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN.

A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.
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03-05-2024 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
We had a whole back and forth about it. After claiming you never meant that I went back and found like 5 quotes where you clearly meant it. You then said "Well my views change" despite the fact that one of the quotes was 3 days prior. You then kept posting the same takes. You were straight up saying that Zaluzhnyi is a neo-nazi warmonger who is running the show.

You said that Zelenskyy is an amoral warmonger backed by "banderistas" (because you'd just come across this term in your Russian propaganda and didn't realize it was actually 'banderites').

Now that he's been fired you're pivoting to "I just meant he had some power" while posting Russian propaganda saying that he's shoring up his neo-nazi base to enact another coup.
no I actually used the word Banderista to mock BOIDS who always would say Putinista. unfortunately your boy deleted the thread so all of your awful takes are gone.

the rest is pretty much true. I walked back how much Zelensky was involved with the far right. it looks like he was beholden to them but not agreeable. and now he has loosened their grip by removing Zaluzhny.

all I know is that Russia is winning. Zaluzhny is real friendly with neo-Nazis. and questions dont mean claims.
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03-06-2024 , 08:19 AM
It's pretty incredible that the narrative has switched so drastically that the "Zelenskyy is a covert Jew Nazi elevated to president to control Ukraine" crowd now has to create narratives where Zelenskyy is twice the hero as the non-bs narrative since not only is he fighting Putin but he's doing it at the same time as he is prying the government back from his Nazi puppet masters.

Maybe questions don't equal claims, but are they a way to voice increasingly ridiculous conspiracy theories while trying to not be held accountable for them?
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03-06-2024 , 08:41 AM
who said anything of the sort on here?
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03-06-2024 , 08:44 AM
Victor what's your opinion on Donbass, should Russia just leave the occupied lands or there are moral rationales to justify the continuing occupation?
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03-06-2024 , 09:07 AM
well they offered to leave Donbass back in April 2022 in exchange for a cease-fire. Ukraine was like lol no.
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03-06-2024 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well they offered to leave Donbass back in April 2022 in exchange for a cease-fire. Ukraine was like lol no.
russia was supposed to have a permanent ceasefire with ukraine in exhange for giving up its nukes

how do you forget this?
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03-06-2024 , 10:33 AM
and NATO wasnt supposed to push East but here we are.
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03-06-2024 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
and NATO wasnt supposed to push East but here we are.
which happened first and what does nato have to do with the ukraine russia agreement (I dont know tbh)
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03-06-2024 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well they offered to leave Donbass back in April 2022 in exchange for a cease-fire. Ukraine was like lol no.
This did not happen.
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03-07-2024 , 10:41 PM
Pretty crazy article on Ukraine fighting Russia in Sudan. Apparently Wagner rebranded themselves after the Nazi Africa Corps and is continuing operations:

https://archive.is/C5ECo#selection-7801.0-7812.0

https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-is...sudan-87caf1d8
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03-08-2024 , 12:39 AM
Zaluzhnyi made ambassador to UK:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ambassador-uk/
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03-08-2024 , 12:55 AM
smart. get him away from those right sector boys.
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03-08-2024 , 12:58 AM
I was going to post something similar as a joke, but decided to wait to let you post it.
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03-08-2024 , 08:38 AM
even if his coup odds are low, its the right move. and he could be a legitimate president rival anyway. oh wait, they dont have elections there.
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03-08-2024 , 08:57 AM
Do you realize that he could turn down the role?

What coup? Is that related to him talking to "those right sector boys"? It's difficult to tell what you're trying to say, be precise.

Ukraine does have elections, that's how Zelenskyy became president.
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03-08-2024 , 08:58 AM
when is the next election?
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03-08-2024 , 09:00 AM
Victor is the parody of himself at this point.

He goes with "Ukraine doesn't have elections" while defending Hamas which suspended elections since 2007.
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03-08-2024 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
when is the next election?
In accordance with their democratic constitution, it will be held after martial law is lifted.
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03-08-2024 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
when is the next election?
When was the last election in Gaza?
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03-08-2024 , 09:24 AM
Hamas is not fighting to defend Western Democracy and are not the recipients of billions of taxapayer money under such a false premise.
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03-08-2024 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
and are not the recipients of billions of taxapayer money
False

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...202020%20alone.



No idea what this or the rest of your post has to do with holding elections or even what you're trying to say. You're saying that they should have elections because some people say they are fighting for western democracy? But also they're not actually fighting for western democracy but they should still have elections under the logic that they're fighting for western democracy and that means they should have elections?
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03-08-2024 , 09:46 AM
https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-al...next-48-hours/

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The Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.

Sounds like things could get dangerous before Russia's totally democratic elections.
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03-08-2024 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
False

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...202020%20alone.



No idea what this or the rest of your post has to do with holding elections or even what you're trying to say. You're saying that they should have elections because some people say they are fighting for western democracy? But also they're not actually fighting for western democracy but they should still have elections under the logic that they're fighting for western democracy and that means they should have elections?
I dont care if they have elections or not. I am just pointing out the usual liberal hypocrisy about this being a fight for democracy.

and lol at 4.5B going to Palestine. how much of that came from US taxpayers?
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