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03-06-2022 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE
Nobody that says the "Democrat Party" is smart.
The tells are so ****ing easy in the 21st century.
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03-06-2022 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
You okay with your idol calling Putin smart and genius and apporving of him invading Ukraine?

You okay with Trump literally pulling every lever both legally and illegally to steal the 2020 election and keep himself in power?

You approve of these things mick?
My idol didn’t do that.

After seeing the first year of Biden in office I have less of a problem with it than I did when it actually happened, but I still think it was wrong.
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03-06-2022 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I favor the U.S.A. leaving both NATO and the United Nations.

In my opinion, the U.S.A. shouldn't belong to any organization in which Russia has veto power in the Security Council and that Iraq's vote in the General Assembly has the same weight as the U.S.A.'s
The U.N is one of those organizations where is there is sort of political consensus that it is often rather toothless.

This often stemming from UN involvement in some region not managing to resolve the issues there effectively. And while the UN has had operations where criticism is very deserved, everyone should remember that this is a very convenient discussion to have going for the people and groups who actually caused the crisis to begin with. That includes both the local actors and the potential regional and international powers who contributed.

And yes, the U.N can be a mess. A behemoth conglomerate of wildly different cultures and nations, it can bring with it whatever problems those have to begin with. And those can be serious and grim problems which has at times affected its operations.

But at the end of the day, and even given its imperfections, in terms of organizations in world history, I can't really think of a single one which has done better work towards ending famine, poverty, disease and conflicts.

Perhaps given how imperfect and horrific the world can sometimes be, immediately ditching something because it is flawed is a bad move. That perfect alternative might very well not exist.

Last edited by tame_deuces; 03-06-2022 at 09:21 AM.
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03-06-2022 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
My idol didn’t do that.

After seeing the first year of Biden in office I have less of a problem with it than I did when it actually happened, but I still think it was wrong.
You don't like the results of the election so you would have been okay if a guy like Putin kept himself in office illegally ?

Why are conservatives so damned stupid when it comes to protecting their own basic freedoms ?
Do you really hate America as much as you pretend to or is it just an act that makes you feel good when you're arguing politics for fun ?
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03-06-2022 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You don't like the results of the election so you would have been okay if a guy like Putin kept himself in office illegally ?

Why are conservatives so damned stupid when it comes to protecting their own basic freedoms ?
Do you really hate America as much as you pretend to or is it just an act that makes you feel good when you're arguing politics for fun ?
So when I said it was wrong you took that as me saying it is ok to overturn an election? Interesting.

The reason you think conservatives are so stupid may be because you hear the opposite of what they say. See above as an example.
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03-07-2022 , 12:08 AM
No, it's because of all the stupid thoughts, stupid ideas and illegal and immoral behaviors exhibited by the group that is completely hypocritical. See above post as a perfect example.
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03-07-2022 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Metod Tinuviel
What is your objection to the US being in NATO?
We are not defending U.S. soil by belonging to NATO. The Western European Socialist Utopia's can defend themselves.
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03-07-2022 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
They should put the top 5 countries in terms of GDP on the Security Council, and then rebalance it every 20 years. That would make it: US, China, Japan, Germany, UK. Russia was only on there because of there position after WWII, and France should have never been there in the first place.
That would be an improvement.
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03-07-2022 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Even Elon musk is tweeting that we need to start upping drilling for oil again (like we did were under trump) in the US. I can’t imagine how dumb Biden feels hearing about musk coming to that realization and admitting it in public before Biden did.
if only this were true

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During Biden's first year in office so far, BLM has approved an average of 333 drilling permits per month. That figure is more than 35% higher than Trump's first year in office, when BLM approved an average of 245 drilling permits per month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...nalysis-finds/
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03-07-2022 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
We are not defending U.S. soil by belonging to NATO. The Western European Socialist Utopia's can defend themselves.
US soil is not the purpose of NATO

US trading partners is
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03-07-2022 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
So when I said it was wrong you took that as me saying it is ok to overturn an election? Interesting.

The reason you think conservatives are so stupid may be because you hear the opposite of what they say. See above as an example.
Nice try. You said you have less of a problem with it because the voters didn't agree with your choice of president.

The reason I think conservatives are stupid is because I have the ability to understand what they're actually saying and filter out their childish excuses for saying it.
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03-07-2022 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
My idol didn’t do that.

After seeing the first year of Biden in office I have less of a problem with it than I did when it actually happened, but I still think it was wrong.
Oh yes he did.

Your idol 100% did what i said he did. Can't win fair n square go ahead and cheat?
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03-07-2022 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Nice try. You said you have less of a problem with it because the voters didn't agree with your choice of president.
Just because I said I have less of a problem with something doesn't mean I think it is ok. I made that even more clear when I said it was wrong.

If I were to say "Well clark shouldn't have jumped dave and kicked him in the head when he was knocked out" and then you correct me and say that clark never kicked dave in the head and then I respond with "well I have less of a problem with what clark did, but he was still wrong to do what he did" you would read that as mickey full supports clark jumping dave?

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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
Oh yes he did.

Your idol 100% did what i said he did. Can't win fair n square go ahead and cheat?
I will bet my $100k vs your $1 that my idol did not "call Putin smart and genius and apporving of him invading Ukraine". Before this bet is finalized you need to define what qualifies as saying those things. I know there is no public record of my idol saying those things, but I don't want you not paying by claiming my idol told you it over the phone or you claim there is no way to know if a non-public figure said or didn't say something.
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03-07-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
"call Putin smart and genius and apporving of him invading Ukraine".
Trump did call Putin smart
Trump did call Putin a genius

Trump probably didn't apporve of Putin's invasion. (don't think Putin has stepped foot in Ukraine in a while actually)
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03-07-2022 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Just because I said I have less of a problem with something doesn't mean I think it is ok. I made that even more clear when I said it was wrong.

If I were to say "Well clark shouldn't have jumped dave and kicked him in the head when he was knocked out" and then you correct me and say that clark never kicked dave in the head and then I respond with "well I have less of a problem with what clark did, but he was still wrong to do what he did" you would read that as mickey full supports clark jumping dave?


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LOL

You said (in effect) that you had less of a problem with Clark kicking Dave in the head since you found out that Dave doesn't visit his mother in the old folks home. Even though Clark was wrong for kicking him.

The simple fact is, Clark shouldn't have kicked Dave in the head. If you qualify it you're making excuses for Clark.

This is pretty routine communication here.

If you were a patriot who loved his country you would say what Trump did was wrong. Full Stop. Period. The fact that you couldn't help but bring Biden into Trump's crimes shows me that you aren't taking what Trump did the least bit seriously. No matter how many excuses you cough up.
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03-07-2022 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Crude oil production in USA is clearly down.

USA Crude Oil Production

The chart backs up this claim:

USA Crude Oil Production Will Continue to Recover in 2022

Addressing the claim about unused oil leases:

Biden Administration Gas Lighting About Oil Leases
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The first, by some members of the Biden administration, including White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki on Thursday, is that American oil and natural gas producers are sitting on hundreds of unused federal leases and thus do not need access to more. The second, by some industry opponents, is that ramping up U.S. production will not help the Ukrainian people today.

Psaki has made the claim about “unused” federal leases before. It has become a line the White House pivots to when pressed to explain why it isn’t doing more to support American oil and gas production – with soaring demand putting upward pressure on prices and with much of Europe at the mercy of its top energy provider, Russia. Key facts about federal leases:

The law already requires companies to either produce oil and/or gas on leases or return the leases to the government – the so-called “use it or lose it” provision – generally in the first 10 years.
When a company acquires a lease, it makes a significant financial investment at the beginning of the lease in the form of a non-refundable bonus bid and pays additional rent until and unless it begins producing.
For federal onshore, the Mineral Leasing Act prevents any one company from locking up unproductive excessive federal acreage.
Developing a lease takes years and substantial effort to determine whether the underlying geology holds commercial quantities of oil and/or gas. The lengthy process to develop them from a lease often is extended by administrative and legal challenges at every step along the way.
The argument about “unused” leases is a red herring, a smokescreen for energy policies that have had a hamstringing effect on the world’s leading producer of natural gas and oil. It suggests American producers have been motivated by a desire to manipulate the market during the current crisis in Europe. This is false. American oil and gas producers are able and willing to do their part to support American energy leadership, including providing energy that can help allies abroad.

Ultimately, energy policies affect the energy investment climate. Specifically, they impact the ability of producers – typically accountable to shareholders – to take the risks involved in spending billions of dollars to find and develop oil and gas. Mischaracterizing the way federal leases work does not help foster new investment and risk-taking.
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03-08-2022 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
LOL

You said (in effect) that you had less of a problem with Clark kicking Dave in the head since you found out that Dave doesn't visit his mother in the old folks home. Even though Clark was wrong for kicking him.

The simple fact is, Clark shouldn't have kicked Dave in the head. If you qualify it you're making excuses for Clark.

This is pretty routine communication here.

If you were a patriot who loved his country you would say what Trump did was wrong. Full Stop. Period. The fact that you couldn't help but bring Biden into Trump's crimes shows me that you aren't taking what Trump did the least bit seriously. No matter how many excuses you cough up.
“ If you were a patriot who loved his country you would say what Trump did was wrong.”

I literally said I thought it was wrong. I said word for word exactly what you said I refused to say and I said it in the original post that started this whole convo.
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03-08-2022 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
We banned fracking, made leases more expensive and increased regulation all in an attempt to reduce production.

There are normal jumps and drops in oil production. What we are talking is changes in production from where we would otherwise be. It is similar to the stock market doing well under Obama. Obama became President at an idol time as all he had to do was change an accounting rule and the market was ready for take off, but it performed far worse than if any of the repub candidates had beat him.
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03-08-2022 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Crude oil production in USA is clearly down.

USA Crude Oil Production

The chart backs up this claim:

USA Crude Oil Production Will Continue to Recover in 2022

Addressing the claim about unused oil leases:

Biden Administration Gas Lighting About Oil Leases
I mean US drilling is down because public shale companies shareholders got tired of companies being in never-ending growth mode/ getting whacked when OPEC opened the spigot (I was wrong OPEC did win that one). Most of the shale companies put into place plans to return the vast majority of their free cash flow to shareholders so expansion IMO will be limited to the private shale companies....well unless the oil futures stay over 150 for an extended amount of time then....
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03-08-2022 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
“ If you were a patriot who loved his country you would say what Trump did was wrong.”

I literally said I thought it was wrong. I said word for word exactly what you said I refused to say and I said it in the original post that started this whole convo.
Changing lanes without signalling is wrong.

Instituting a Russian type government is wrong.

But one of them evokes a stronger response by people who love America.
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03-08-2022 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Changing lanes without signalling is wrong.

Instituting a Russian type government is wrong.

But one of them evokes a stronger response by people who love America.
Which one?
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03-08-2022 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Changing lanes without signalling is wrong.

Instituting a Russian type government is wrong.

But one of them evokes a stronger response by people who love America.
rlfush, you responded to my post, but you forgot to address the whole point of my post which was to say that you claimed I didn't say what trump did was wrong even though my first post on the topic clearly said it was wrong.

This was made a lot worse when you quoted me saying conservatives are stupid for saying things since you clearly assumed I said something I didn't. It seem very likely this is what you do for a lot of what conservatives say. You are likely to blinded by your hatred to even listen to them. You need to work on being more accepting of other people.
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03-09-2022 , 11:17 PM
cuepee, , why aren't you a fan of aoc. i'm a big supporter.
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03-10-2022 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
cuepee, , why aren't you a fan of aoc. i'm a big supporter.
Why are you a supporter?
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03-10-2022 , 01:58 AM
AOC is quite a gal, ain't she?
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