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Two countries under the same flag? Quebec and the rest of Canada. Two countries under the same flag? Quebec and the rest of Canada.

03-08-2023 , 07:11 AM
This is a topic I've always wanted to bring up: is the difference between Quebec and the rest of Canada as big my interaction with Canadians suggests? I've noticed people from Quebec have a totally different demeanor compared to their native English speaking counterparts as well as a mild sense of superiority. It has also come to my attention that Quebecers have an inclination to show pride in their language and customs, something I haven't seen in literally any native English speaking Canadian I've ever talked to.
I'd like to know what Canadians think about this; my evidence is purely anecdotal and I'd really like to get insight from people who experienced this cultural gap first-hand.
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04-22-2023 , 09:10 PM
There is a giant difference. They are separate in every sphere except federally.
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04-22-2023 , 11:51 PM
Yes, I generally think they are relatively distinct, or at least, there is less stuff that sort of binds Quebec and the rest of Canada together. For instance, a new yorker and rural texas also have pretty different types of people, probably a lot bigger of a difference even. However, in the US there are a number of political and cultural structures that nevertheless make the new yorker and rural texas person both put "American" near the top of their identity, even if they interpret that quite differently.
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04-23-2023 , 02:05 PM
There is also a separatist movement aimed at separating the province from the rest of the nation. The reason why is because there is no similarity aside from federal structures.
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04-23-2023 , 03:29 PM
Ok ….
There is many differences but they aren’t as fundamentally different to justified the “intolerance” let’s say on both side that sometimes appears.

When u can look at the big picture, u see Canada is a great country for both side and complement each other on many level .
To me the “problems” arise often when one side just think about themselves and not recognizing the value in the other .

Fwiw u can think Québec having a more European line of thinking while the ROC tends towards a more American thinking .
Religion , judicial system , culture are different but they are clearly more closely related compare to many other parts of the world .

Imho for an example , USA are currently far more apart from each other then Canadians are …..
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04-23-2023 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Yes, I generally think they are relatively distinct, or at least, there is less stuff that sort of binds Quebec and the rest of Canada together. For instance, a new yorker and rural texas also have pretty different types of people, probably a lot bigger of a difference even. However, in the US there are a number of political and cultural structures that nevertheless make the new yorker and rural texas person both put "American" near the top of their identity, even if they interpret that quite differently.
When you say "New Yorker" do you mean a NYC-er? I ask because I bet a lot of NY residents are similar to those of rural Texas.
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04-23-2023 , 05:57 PM
Up til recently as a Canadian I haven't heard much about Quebec or really cared what they do. However I have been talking to someone from Quebec and if his point of view is correct the people there are incredibly nationalistic to the point of degeneracy.

They believe they are different than other people, French is the superior language that must be protected at all costs, and that Canadians in general are against them and want to wipe out their culture.

At first I thought the guy was a bit loony but after looking things up it seems like a lot of people seem to think like this over there.

They banned businesses from using English names, tried to ban religious symbols on public workers, banned people from not hiring someone because they don't know how to speak English.

Just a bunch of your standard degenerate cries is the best way I can put it. It's like the Americans with their guns but replace guns with the french language.

It's honestly a little bizarre.
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04-23-2023 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockyfour
Up til recently as a Canadian I haven't heard much about Quebec or really cared what they do. However I have been talking to someone from Quebec and if his point of view is correct the people there are incredibly nationalistic to the point of degeneracy.

They believe they are different than other people, French is the superior language that must be protected at all costs, and that Canadians in general are against them and want to wipe out their culture.

At first I thought the guy was a bit loony but after looking things up it seems like a lot of people seem to think like this over there.

They banned businesses from using English names, tried to ban religious symbols on public workers, banned people from not hiring someone because they don't know how to speak English.

Just a bunch of your standard degenerate cries is the best way I can put it. It's like the Americans with their guns but replace guns with the french language.

It's honestly a little bizarre.
They work for their own interests and it does not include the rest of Canada. You can say that whether you are talking financially, politically, or culturally.
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04-23-2023 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by drex
They work for their own interests and it does not include the rest of Canada. You can say that whether you are talking financially, politically, or culturally.
And yet Canadian keep electing prime minister from Quebec
Pierre Elliot trudeau
Brian Mulroney
Jean Chrétien
Justin Trudeau

Since 1968 :
42 years on 55 years was presided by a Québécois
Win 12 election on the last 17.

I wonder why this keep happening if what you saying was true .

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 04-23-2023 at 10:20 PM.
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04-23-2023 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockyfour
Up til recently as a Canadian I haven't heard much about Quebec or really cared what they do. However I have been talking to someone from Quebec and if his point of view is correct the people there are incredibly nationalistic to the point of degeneracy.

They believe they are different than other people, French is the superior language that must be protected at all costs, and that Canadians in general are against them and want to wipe out their culture.

At first I thought the guy was a bit loony but after looking things up it seems like a lot of people seem to think like this over there.

They banned businesses from using English names, tried to ban religious symbols on public workers, banned people from not hiring someone because they don't know how to speak English.

Just a bunch of your standard degenerate cries is the best way I can put it. It's like the Americans with their guns but replace guns with the french language.

It's honestly a little bizarre.
Some people defend cash , some people defend their religion , some defend more their culture shrug .

But let’s talk about math .
Quebec 8 million
Rest of Canada 30 million
USA 332 millions.

Let’s say 1 millions in Quebec aren’t speaking much French = 7 millions .

7 millions French / surrounded by 362 millions = around 2% French representation.

Without entering in the historical context , which clearly u know absolutely nothing about on why secularism and French linguistic law been implemented from the 1960s “revolution tranquille, it is far of being extremist when u try to preserve a 2% of presence of french language under an ocean of 98% which isn’t .

Fwiw the last 2 posters should really really reread my comment previously .
I wonder who was more trying to find common ground …..

I guess it’s true misunderstanding situation bring anger for no particular reason and for nothing much ….
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04-23-2023 , 10:37 PM
nice post Montreal.
but people in Montreal speak French why u left that out in the math?
and whistler? I think they speak French too. how many French did you forget, why not include?

Last edited by washoe; 04-23-2023 at 10:45 PM.
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04-23-2023 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

But let’s talk about math .
Quebec 8 million
Rest of Canada 30 million
USA 332 millions.

Let’s say 1 millions in Quebec aren’t speaking much French = 7 millions .

7 millions French / surrounded by 362 millions = around 2% French representation.

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15 million. but still that's amazing.

"People who claim some French-Canadian ancestry or heritage number some 7 million in Canada. In the United States, 2.4 million people report French-Canadian ancestry or heritage, while an additional 8.4 million claim French ancestry; they are treated as a separate ethnic group by the U.S. Census Bureau.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
French Canadians - Wikipedia"

Last edited by washoe; 04-23-2023 at 11:04 PM.
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04-24-2023 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
And yet Canadian keep electing prime minister from Quebec
Pierre Elliot trudeau
Brian Mulroney
Jean Chrétien
Justin Trudeau

Since 1968 :
42 years on 55 years was presided by a Québécois
Win 12 election on the last 17.

I wonder why this keep happening if what you saying was true .
This doesn't negate his point. Electing PMs from Quebec in no way, shape, or form means that Quebecers don't "work for their own interests and it does not include the rest of Canada." I'm not saying that's true, but your post in no way addresses it.

We keep electing PMs from QC because the major parties often elect leaders from QC, because they want to court the QC vote. They figure they will lose more important seats in QC by running an anglophone then they will lose important seats in the rest of Canada by running a francophone/bilingual candidate. That's always been obvious to me; I'm curious why you think we elected so many Quebecers.

That said, drex and R4 are generalizing and oversimplifying. There certainly is a significant segment of Quebecers who operate with a "Quebec first" frame of mind, more than any other province (although AB gives them a run for their money every now and then). And there is a great deal of concern over losing their culture and language, which isn't entirely unfounded IMO. But I don't think it's fair to say that the majority of the province works only for their own interest, or that they're "incredibly nationalistic to the point of degeneracy".
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04-24-2023 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
nice post Montreal.
but people in Montreal speak French why u left that out in the math?
and whistler? I think they speak French too. how many French did you forget, why not include?
how can i left the french out of it ?
i left out around 1 millions of people from the entire province to take into account many in montreal do not speak french ???
how did i left out french in montreal ?
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04-24-2023 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
15 million. but still that's amazing.

"People who claim some French-Canadian ancestry or heritage number some 7 million in Canada. In the United States, 2.4 million people report French-Canadian ancestry or heritage, while an additional 8.4 million claim French ancestry; they are treated as a separate ethnic group by the U.S. Census Bureau.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
French Canadians - Wikipedia"
doesnt mean they have french heritage they use french as their primary language or they speak french at all.
And knowing no access (or very few) for services or other means are available in french.
Regardless lets say i gave u everything u added as a fair point.
instead of 2% is 4%....at those level i see no problem of having some laws to ensure protection of its culture.

main point is i dont see what protecting a culture or language should come below any other social interest like money , religion or others.

Different society chooses different priority depending which situation they are in.
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04-25-2023 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
And yet Canadian keep electing prime minister from Quebec
Pierre Elliot trudeau
Brian Mulroney
Jean Chrétien
Justin Trudeau

Since 1968 :
42 years on 55 years was presided by a Québécois
Win 12 election on the last 17.

I wonder why this keep happening if what you saying was true .
I would not go so far as to suggest that they put Quebec first and Canada second. However, they are certainly supporting their jurisdictional agendas in Quebec first since that is where their constituencies lie.
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04-25-2023 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by drex
I would not go so far as to suggest that they put Quebec first and Canada second. However, they are certainly supporting their jurisdictional agendas in Quebec first since that is where their constituencies lie.
You can't win a majority without Quebec . They all put Quebec first . Trudeau did with SNC and the NDP, Conservatives and Liberals all were very political on how they addressed Bill 21. If Alberta had passed a similar bill they would be called racists
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04-25-2023 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
but people in Montreal speak French why u left that out in the math?
Is Montreal not in Quebec?
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04-25-2023 , 11:01 AM
Problem with protecting 'culture' or 'language' is that it's just another ideology, meaning 'protecting' it comes at the cost of snuffing out other ideologies that might take it's place.

So what you end up with is a bunch of freedom of speech issues and fascist lines of thinking.
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04-25-2023 , 03:28 PM
do people in montreal actually mostly speak french tho. my vibe was for most it was a second language. big city immigrant vibes
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04-25-2023 , 06:09 PM
Montreal it is much easier to be an anglophone than the rest of quebec. My brother did his PhD there and never learned more than a hundred french words.
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04-25-2023 , 06:34 PM
I remember in High School we did contact Canada were we went to parts of Quebec and Ontario. Montreal seemed to be the most English friendly while Quebec City was the opposite. Though Quebec City was stunning
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04-26-2023 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
and whistler? I think they speak French too. how many French did you forget, why not include?
Whistler? Not french at all, other than some French people on vacation there. More German tourists than french. Probably more Japanese too. Really nothing french at all about Whistler. Or anywhere on the west coast or even in the western half of Canada for that matter.
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04-26-2023 , 12:39 PM
Are you suggesting that washoe posts without knowing the facts?
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04-26-2023 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Are you suggesting that washoe posts without knowing the facts?
my friend is from whistler (I think) and his name is Pierre (last name sounds even more French) so I do know some facts.

"The highest Francophone population is in Whistler with 5.3 per cent of its population speaking French as a mother tongue."

https://www.hipurbangirl.com/whistle...h-in-whistler/
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