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08-19-2020 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
CLAIM: Your rebuttal has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted.
that pretty much all comes from the stories that i put in there ??so obviously you have a comprehension problem
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08-19-2020 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
that pretty much all comes from the stories that i put in there ??so obviously you have a comprehension problem
First of all, your citations only talk about the removal of mailboxes, not the destruction of mail sorting equipment, which is also happening. Second, that mailbox removal happened under Obama doesn't prove that this removal of mailboxes wasn't done with an eye towards gumming up mail-in voting. Third, my question was posed in response to someone was claiming that the removal of mailboxes and the destruction of mail sorting equipment was done to improve the efficiency of sorting mail at the post office, which your citations do not address. It may reduce costs, as your citations suggest, but that is a different thing from timely sorting and delivery.
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08-19-2020 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Oh, please do explain the difference.
This year, a record 76 percent of American voters will be eligible to receive a ballot in the mail for the 2020 election. Every state allows some voting by mail, but some require a specified reason or make the ballot available only at a voter’s request.As of Aug. 17, seven states, including Texas, New York and South Carolina, require an explained excuse for absentee voting. absentee voters must send for the ballot and give the excuse .

absentee voting is for people who arent there or unable to go to vote [excused]

while the all mailin voting is just sent to anybody "even the dead "
Gov. Gavin Newsom signs bill sending mail ballot to every active California voter..[even the illegals who got drivers licenses ]since california law allows anybody to vote who is a residence in all local elections [federal law says no ] https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...e-15349881.php
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08-19-2020 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
while the all mailin voting is just sent to anybody "even the dead "
A blatant lie.

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[even the illegals who got drivers licenses ]
Another blatant lie.
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08-19-2020 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A blatant lie.



Another blatant lie.
not lies ..when the names are on the rolls they get sent a ballot .. thats why SOME people want to clean out the voter rolls
again >> Gov. Gavin Newsom signs bill sending mail ballot to every active California voter .. active voter =on the voter list
also in several states illegals get drivers licenses now ,and they are automatically registered to vote .there is not difference in the licenses ..and in california they said they are allowed to vote in elections [TECHNICALLY ONLY LOCAL ELECTIONS ] YET nobody checks it
The California Motor Voter program is making registering to vote at the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) more convenient. Eligible applicants completing a driver license, identification (ID) card or change of address transaction online, by mail or in person at the DMV will be automatically registered to vote by the California Secretary of State, unless they choose to opt out of automatic voter registration.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/cal...a-motor-voter/

In 2013, California removed the proof of legal presence requirement to obtain a state issued driver licenses. California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) into law. .Currently still known under its bill number, AB 60 removes the legal proof requirement in California to apply for a state issued driver's licenses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver..._United_States
other democrat run states have also done this
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08-19-2020 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You and that Chuck guy do not understand what the word debunk means. Bunch of clowns.

The mailboxes are locked. Them not being locked would be “debunking” it. But yeah obvious the official government explanation is end of story lol.

iHIV, what do you think the post office would say if those mailboxes were locked for nefarious purposes?

Lol “debunked”.
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08-19-2020 , 12:06 PM
this drivers license automatically registering undocumented people to vote bullshit is really coming back into vogue..


also BIG lol at mail in is different than absentee.. well you see, one they mail you a ballot and you mail it in or drop it off-TOTALLY SAFE, and the other, they mail you a ballot and you mail it in or drop it off- DEAD CATS VOTING DEMONCRATS!!!11!!..


this dude will be a welcome addition..
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08-19-2020 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
not lies ..when the names are on the rolls they get sent a ballot
This is a blatant lie that is disproved by your own citation.

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also in several states illegals get drivers licenses now ,and they are automatically registered to vote .there is not difference in the licenses ..and in california they said they are allowed to vote in elections [TECHNICALLY ONLY LOCAL ELECTIONS ] YET nobody checks it
This is still a blatant lie.

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The California Motor Voter program is making registering to vote at the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) more convenient. Eligible applicants completing a driver license, identification (ID) card or change of address transaction online, by mail or in person at the DMV will be automatically registered to vote by the California Secretary of State, unless they choose to opt out of automatic voter registration.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/cal...a-motor-voter/
Another blatant lie contradicted by your own citation.

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In 2013, California removed the proof of legal presence requirement to obtain a state issued driver licenses. California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) into law. .Currently still known under its bill number, AB 60 removes the legal proof requirement in California to apply for a state issued driver's licenses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver..._United_States
other democrat run states have also done this
This manages to be true, but it's irrelevant.
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08-19-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
do you actually realize that "mail in votes and absentee votes" are different things .maybe you should research the differences on them ??
Yes, I know the difference. Why do you think that I don't know the difference? I don't recall ever talking about voting by mail.

edit: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the voter.

Last edited by lagtight; 08-19-2020 at 02:03 PM.
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08-19-2020 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
LOL, np.

I actually had in mind the dictionary definition that comes up when you google conservatism :

commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.
"proponents of theological conservatism"


I do think conservatives tend to value traditional values and ideas more than people. Progressives tend to value people more. It's not that conservatives all actively hate people (although many do seem to), it's just that the welfare of human beings isn't at the top of their to do list. Preserving order is.
This broad-brushing of conservatism by you is growing tiresome.

There is no such thing as "the dictionary definition" of 'conservatism'.
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08-19-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
not lies ..when the names are on the rolls they get sent a ballot .. thats why SOME people want to clean out the voter rolls
again >> Gov. Gavin Newsom signs bill sending mail ballot to every active California voter .. active voter =on the voter list
also in several states illegals get drivers licenses now ,and they are automatically registered to vote .there is not difference in the licenses ..and in california they said they are allowed to vote in elections [TECHNICALLY ONLY LOCAL ELECTIONS ] YET nobody checks it
The California Motor Voter program is making registering to vote at the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) more convenient. Eligible applicants completing a driver license, identification (ID) card or change of address transaction online, by mail or in person at the DMV will be automatically registered to vote by the California Secretary of State, unless they choose to opt out of automatic voter registration.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/cal...a-motor-voter/

In 2013, California removed the proof of legal presence requirement to obtain a state issued driver licenses. California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) into law. .Currently still known under its bill number, AB 60 removes the legal proof requirement in California to apply for a state issued driver's licenses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver..._United_States
other democrat run states have also done this
Nobody just sends out ballots. You are wrong. An application to get a ballot is not a ballot. Have you voted before?
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08-19-2020 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
do you actually realize that "mail in votes and absentee votes" are different things .maybe you should research the differences on them ??


lololololololol
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08-19-2020 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
This broad-brushing of conservatism by you is growing tiresome.

There is no such thing as "the dictionary definition" of 'conservatism'.

I didn't put it out there, I just googled it.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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08-19-2020 , 08:13 PM
Sounds like some good old fashioned warehouse cleaning.

Wait until this woman comes to look at my mom's driveway if I were to go into her basement and remove a few decades worth of excess.

Next on WOODTV: Where have all the payphones gone?
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08-19-2020 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I didn't put it out there, I just googled it.

Don't shoot the messenger.
I'll google "conservatism" and see if the definition you provided is the only one I get.

I'll let you know my results.
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08-20-2020 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
This is a blatant lie that is disproved by your own citation.
ROFL ..
anybody who gets a drivers license is registered to vote >>California will send ballots to all registered voters >>all registered voters can vote


This is still a blatant lie.
ur senile California lets anybody that gets a drivers license to auto reg for voting >>this gets them on the voter rolls >California is sending ballots to every registered voter >>anybody who is registered can then vote >the license is there id >it doesnt matter if they are legal or illegal


Another blatant lie contradicted by your own citation.

HOW stupid are you really ?? they get registered to vote when they get the license read it or get some body to read it and explain it to you

This manages to be true, but it's irrelevant.
it is true that they dont need to prove they are legal when they get a drivers license and that registers them to vote and that all they need to vote
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08-20-2020 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Trump's attempt to win election:

as she said its a graveyard of postal sorting machines .
trump usps is taking out /replacing /relocating machines .
obama did it also
bush did it also
clinton did it also
bush did it also

also

However, According President of the American Postal Workers Union, Amy Pulhalski, the machines seen discarded outside of the post office are called a 'flat sorter.'

A flat sorter is used to sort larger paper items like magazines, and 8x10 photographs or more, not mail or ballots.
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/...a-4dfbaa3346a6
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08-20-2020 , 04:43 AM
did you miss this one > If Trump was trying to sabotage the 2020 election by removing collection boxes, I guess Obama and Biden were too. that would be in 2016 thou ??
Did you hear the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is sabotaging the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) by removing mail collection boxes in several states?

https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-ma...-boxes-n796263

in September 2016, the USPS inspector general noted that “Nationally, the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past 5 years.” This means that the USPS, during the Obama-Biden administration, removed thousands of mail collection boxes. Was this a diabolical plan by Obama and Biden to suppress the vote in 2020? Did Trump make them do it?
USPS spokeswoman Kimberly Frum told The Hill that installation and removal of USPS collection boxes has been going on for decades. “It is a fluid process and figures can vary from day-to-day. Historically, mail boxes have been removed for lack of use and installed in growth areas,” she explained. “When a collection box consistently receives very small amounts of mail for months on end, it costs the Postal Service money in fuel and workhours for letter carriers to drive to the mailbox and collect the mail. Removing the box is simply good business sense in that respect. It is important to note that anyone with a residential or business mailbox can use it as a vehicle to send outgoing mail.”
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08-20-2020 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
it is true that they dont need to prove they are legal when they get a drivers license
Yes

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and that registers them to vote and that all they need to vote
No
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08-20-2020 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RowdyOne
did you miss this one > If Trump was trying to sabotage the 2020 election by removing collection boxes, I guess Obama and Biden were too. that would be in 2016 thou ??
Did you hear the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is sabotaging the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) by removing mail collection boxes in several states?

https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-ma...-boxes-n796263

in September 2016, the USPS inspector general noted that “Nationally, the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past 5 years.” This means that the USPS, during the Obama-Biden administration, removed thousands of mail collection boxes. Was this a diabolical plan by Obama and Biden to suppress the vote in 2020? Did Trump make them do it?
USPS spokeswoman Kimberly Frum told The Hill that installation and removal of USPS collection boxes has been going on for decades. “It is a fluid process and figures can vary from day-to-day. Historically, mail boxes have been removed for lack of use and installed in growth areas,” she explained. “When a collection box consistently receives very small amounts of mail for months on end, it costs the Postal Service money in fuel and workhours for letter carriers to drive to the mailbox and collect the mail. Removing the box is simply good business sense in that respect. It is important to note that anyone with a residential or business mailbox can use it as a vehicle to send outgoing mail.”
Western Journalism and now PJ Media? Man, you sure love yourself some far-right sources that spread lies.
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08-20-2020 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Sounds like some good old fashioned warehouse cleaning.

Wait until this woman comes to look at my mom's driveway if I were to go into her basement and remove a few decades worth of excess.

Next on WOODTV: Where have all the payphones gone?
Wait, are we doing phone voting now too?
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08-20-2020 , 11:43 AM
Kinda wondering how mail doesn't get delivered to dead people.

Let's say that Dallas County Texas mails 1.3 million ballots on October 1. Hits all individual mailbox by Oct 4.

Noone dies in Dallas County within those 3 days?
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08-20-2020 , 11:52 AM
It does, and they would. I'm still getting mail addressed to the guy I bought my house from 6 years ago. I receive mail for someone with my house number but one block over at least once a week as well. I usually have one of the kids walk it over if it's anything other than obvious junk.

If Milwaukee sent out "universal mail-in" ballots, I'm certain the person who bought my old house would get a ballot with my name on it. I never took myself off the voting list in Milwaukee and I'm sure you're all well aware of the controversy in WI when republicans wanted to use DMV records to purge the existing database of duplicates or people who have died/moved/whatever.

I know there are states that do it this way already, but I'm sure they have measures in place to prevent duplication.
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08-20-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I'm still getting mail addressed to the guy I bought my house from 6 years ago.
I don't..... so your sample size of one gets cancelled by my sample size of one.
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08-20-2020 , 12:23 PM
Yeah, that's how it's supposed to work, so good for you? I believe the point of the people against blindly sending out ballots to every name/address in the system is that the system is poorly maintained and people like me are getting mail for guys that moved to Texas in 2014.
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