these are always amusing because fox news relies on their opinion shows for their ratings. they are literally propped up by fake news shows like hannity, tucker, jeanine, etc..


also as always evident, libertarians are the dumbest of all the politically active.

I do find CNN a tad histrionic at times, but they are certainly not as bad as Fox & co in that or any other regard. Also, histrionics and lies are not equally "bad".

Personally, I get my news primarily from WaPo and I am very happy with that choice. I have yet to see WaPo lie, through commission or through ommission, and in the rare event that they make mistakes, they publish retractions. So the right wing cries of "bias" are not cutting the mustard for me, as far as WaPo is concerned.

The Washington post. Gold standard of journalism. They never lie!

Nope, they don't lie. They might make mistakes, but they will publish retractions as and when those mistakes are highlighted. I think you're getting them confused with [insert your favourite right wing media outlet here], who lie all the time.

There is a big difference which you ignore though. Those Fox hosts openly admit that their shows are opinion shows whereas CNN hosts such as Don Lemon do not. CNN are just straight up deceitful promoting opinion as being factual reporting.

Because you insisted that CNN is worse than Fox News when comparing their ratings! How can we fact check your own claim without talking about other outlets? My god, you are desperate to not have to talk about Fox News, lolol

Gonna need a citation here, because I can show you instances of, for example, Laura Ingraham actively pushing back against her own colleagues who say that her show is just opinion & entertainment. Is that what you call "openly admitting that their shows are opinion shows"?

Fox News sucks too.

For the original poster overseas, I wouldn't trust that as a fair media outlet.

Best ones are probably Bloomberg and CNBC.

yeah i've never once seen any of the fox news or alt right crowd admit their programs arent actually real news.. other than infamously alex jones saying that he is just portraying a fake character in court because his wife's lawyer beat him down.

They float in between depending on the situation and how it suits them, but certainly not on the air. Like, in response to those same Shep Smith statements that set off Ingraham above, Sean Hannity - who has famously said "I am not a journalist" (before and after having described himself as a "journalist" depending how he feels from day to day), wrote (tweet has since been deleted):

People like Hannity, and the Fox brass, will often suggest in response to criticism that Hannity and his ilk are just about opinions - using it as a defense for bias rather than proactively being transparent with their audience.

Joe's suggestion that Fox's opinion shows are up front to the viewer about what they are - that is, of course, utterly laughable.

Hi guys,
im slowly starting to get the picture now!
As i said: ''it's not about left or right''...so i wont go there.

So now this:
If CNN is left orientated, why dont they promote Biden but focus on bashing Trump?
To me it seems that Fox focus is (more) on promoting Trump...so it seems logical that CNN would focus (more) on promoting Biden, instead of bashing his opponent.
At this moment CNN website has 3 articles on Biden, 11 on Trump.

The strategy is to trash trump and let him speak and trash himself. Its tough to promote Biden as he has trouble putting two sentences together while in his basement.

Standard problem we have to address on the left is not being positive enough about our own policies. It is tough with trump because there's just so much material.

Jeff Zucker the head of CNN is a huge Trump hater and consequently his channel reflects that. Then you have morons like Don lemon who's shows are all one long Trump hating rant day after day. It's more of a hate channel than an objective news channel..

It's a mistake to think that CNN or Biden is on the left. They aren't left oriented at all and will be happy to cheerlead for the next war. Once that is understood your questions come into focus a bit better.

Having two of the biggest warmongers in the world (Bill Kristol and Max Boot) as regular contributors doesn't do much for their anti-war credentials.

Fox and Trump aren't anti-war either though.

Questions like this start with a basic assumption that everything is partisan. It assumes that parties and politicians are all equal, and bashing someone can only be done for partisan reasons. It suggests that if news organizations two thousand years ago attacked Caligula, that they must just be partisan opponents of Caligula; it dismisses the possibility that Caligula might legitimately be doing things that merit him being attacked.

And that is obviously untrue! If Trump sucks, then people should talk about why he sucks and cover the terrible things he does. And he does suck! He's an awful president and leader, easily one of the worst this country has ever had.

CNN may or may not have a bias, but the idea that bias is the only reason a news organization can present negative coverage about someone, or that news organizations have no place writing negative coverage where it's merited, is laughable.

see this gives away the game. because no one that is trying to be "objective" would say that about fox news. that's joe6pack levels of bootlicking.

fox news currently as of this post has 7 headlines attacking biden, a couple about about deblasio, a couple attacking dem governors for believing in science, some conspiracy theory nonsense about "obamagate" and 1 about trump talking about churches..

so the opposite of your conclusion appears to be true. cnn had least had 3 articles praising biden compared to 1 on foxnews for trump.


also it's like you've never watched tv or seen news before. have you never seen news before? negative always leads to ratings. car chases, robberies, murders, scandals..

I disagree. Trump has been consistent about wanting to get America out of military involvement in other countries not into more.

Trump has been consistent in talking about pulling out--the actual pulling out has left a little to be desired although I admit I'm not fully up to date on what the current status is in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria. But whatever you want to think about Trump and war, you can't make any sort of claims about Fox/News Corp being anti-war. And Trump's biggest allies in the middle east remain Saudi Arabia and Israel. And his Iran rhetoric is indistinguishable from what you would have expected from the most ardent neocons.

Well, the proof is in the pudding I guess. So far he hasn't got the US into yet another disastrous war. As for Fox, they've got their share of warmongers sure, but none quite as rabid as those two on CNN.

WaPo is by far the best American newspaper I have read, and one of the better ones overall.

In general though American mainstream media is fairly deferential to political power compared to European media and overly polite in their coverage.

CNN is pro-war because of the necons they put on to present Republican points of view? LOL, yeah, I'm sure you'd agree they were pro-Trump when they had Jeffrey Lord as a regular contributor, great logic

It's Jeff bezos propaganda machine. "they might make mistakes" is incredibly naive.

What is presented as fact by the corporate press is a carefully constructed narrative intentionally designed to keep some very unpleasant people in power