Hi USA,
im from Holland so hopefully u dont mind me bringing this up.

I have CNN on cable but when i watch...the Trump bashing is just unreal.
It has nothing to do with news at all.
Same for press meetings.

I understand ''the press'' is corrupt/designed all around the world.

But look at this!?:
https://youtu.be/I1YojNLd1lA?t=273[/URL]

I understand dems love this, that libs hate it and all off that.
What i dont understand is how anybody can call this a ''news network'' (anymore) !?

Anyway...in Russia press/media is kinda controlled bu Putin...so ok...its prob gonna be bias.
CNN is obviously not controlled by Trump...but its biased anyway...so whats the motivation behind all this???
Are they going to bash Biden if he wins as well?

I mean: whats in it for CNN?

I mean: even if u are as left as left can be...u would still want unbiased news and not propaganda news.

Anyway, thank u for your help/time!

Just asking questions I see

They don't automatically criticise Trump for existing. They criticise him for the things he says and does. Every day he says and does new things that warrant criticism, so they criticise him for those things. If Biden acts like Trump if/when he is in office, they will also criticise Biden the same as they criticise Trump. If he doesn't, they won't. Glad I could help.

Right wing dutch are as bad as Trump.

Well...thats exactly the point i was trying to make.
Press is there for reporting, not to air their opinion.
I understand all papers/networks have their stands/background/members/history and all that.
But if you watch CNN...its just an anti Trump rampage roller coaster.

Anyway...what you are saying is that CNN is not a left wing orientated news network, but completely unbiased?

Cable channel news networks in the US have both straight news and opinion segments. I don't watch any cable news channels, so I don't know what the balance between those two is. I am sure someone else who watches CNN can chip in, I hear the poster bahbahmickey is a big CNN fan.

Im not talking Trump...not talking left/right...red/blue...just CNN.

CNN needs to concentrate on news & not all the nonsense that happened around Trump. But that is being done by Trump. He has snubbed all previous American presidents with his horrid behaviour and to some extent his leadership skills. What a shame!

Ratings.
Plus the focus on Trump keeps the focus on the need to remove him and away from what might be considered "real issues"-- and the last thing they would ever want to cover is real issues.
And by focusing on Trump and making him into an existential threat, the left can be contained.

I actually agree with this for the most part, as ratings is what helps that particular business thrive, and the quality of "news" will suffer at times in a variety of ways. News is presented differently these days than when Walter Cronkite would be who people watched once a day. The irony is that many of the CNN people who have a clear personal disdain for Trump are the same ones that would have him on their shows all the time during the primaries in 2016. As Howard Stern has said - Trump is a great guest, and he is in terms of putting on a show. I suspect many of those CNN people who happily brought on Trump instead of snoozefest people like Cruz and Jeb!!!!!! never thought he would win, and he was always a good guest. After he won, oops, and especially when an actual crisis happens - a big OOPS.




Well, fortunately people of your kind spend months on analyzing ear shots of undead pedos and investigating obscure hit and runs in Portland to help fill that void.


If only life was as sinister and complex as this - it would be more entertaining!

They had him on a ton when he was a relatively good guest and was good for ratings. They talk about him a lot now, because that is what people want to see and it is good for ratings. Do they have a slant of people who are butthurt because they helped create this situation? Sure. Does it reduce the "news" quality? Sure. Is it for existential Lizard People crisis actor threat containment by Big Brother as they rub their titties with a fake virus? Nah, but that is the issue people of your kind create and then people like you are very good at reporting what you see from the conspiracy media to try to increase your own personal ratings.

You never did that self banning you promised. Perhaps that choice was made for an existential reason to contain a certain threat. Since you are here, you may as well do a prediction in your personal blog/thread - when one day in the future the mod here wakes up and decides "meh, enough of this nonsense" and they shut down the board - what will be the existential reasoning for that as it certainly could not be that someone unpaid decides "sheesh, this nonsense is enough." Thanks!

All the best.

There isn't anything sinister or complex about it. Biden's campaign was ran on the idea that he and he alone is the person who can beat Trump. Could he have ran on real issues and won? Sure...but he didn't.

And then there is this. Note the spike is democratic support of media post-2016. Trump calls the media the enemy of the people (rightfully so) and the media calls Trump a threat against humanity (also rightfully so). It's a symbiotic relationship and Trump--as America's most well known developer since the 1980's--is of course a product of the media.

So what? Every campaign will pick an angle they think works best for their candidate. Some work well "Change" for Obama, and others - well you got Jeb!!!! I don't even think the Biden approach was particularly interesting or powerful, but it fell in a cycle where all of his opponents lacked charisma or were Bernie, who would have gotten curb stomped by Trump.

As a candidate- the 2020 version of Biden is maybe a 2 out of 10, whereas in the past he maybe peaked at 3-4. This election is pretty different though, so sometimes a weak one like him ends up being the better choice, given the field he went against. If any of the younger choices were Obama - the sequel, then Biden and Bernie would have been off somewhere talking about the young, whippersnapper Boomers somewhere, and this election would be pretty much over.

Could he have run on "real issues." Meh, maybe, but this election cycle is about Trump, and Trump is never about "real issues." Is it a shame that Biden may be the best choice? Absolutely, but sometimes that is the way the political cards are dealt.

I realize people of your kind always need to find multiple layers behind even mundane things, because that is your obsession, and people like you do all you can to spread your beliefs when possible, using all sorts of pretty charts from cherry picking the internet, but in the end life is just not as entertaining as found in the worlds you fabricate.

All the best.

It could be the case that you're right. Through a maze of circumstances-- first the media builds Trump up, then Trump becomes a nonsense politician and existential threat, forcing the news to be nothing-but-Trump and in the process damaging the actual left and ending up with Biden as the nominee. It's just that you aren't right.

While there is certainly bad media in this world, this sentiment is largely one pushed by the kind of leaders (and their underlings) which don't particularly like that anyone looks at what they *do*, generally preferring that we just listen to what they *say*. From the all-out genocidal maniacs like Stalin, Hitler, Xi Jinping and Pol Pot, through the runner-ups like Putin, Erdogan, Netanyahu and Obahn, and all the way down to the wannabes like Duterte, Trump, Bolsonaro or Chavez. They all thrive on making people listen to only them.

And generally if your world view falls under the category of just categorically stating "the media is corrupt", there are three likely reasons:

a) You fell for the formerly described propaganda.
b) Your worldview is of the type that feels very uncomfortable when somebody shines facts or logic on it.
c) You are intellectually lazy.

Now there is no single media that trumps all. You have to read several, and you need to couple it with fact-checking (encyclopedias, scholarly articles, reputable surveys and so forth). There is no lazy way to become informed. And contrary to popular belief, there never has been.

A quick solution for which media to not read are:
a) Those that don't specifically flag opinionated pieces as opinion pieces or editorials
b) Those that don't do retractment.
c) Those which don't have disclosed ownership.
d) Those who are sponsored by private individuals, political groups or governments with very strong and specific political beliefs.
e) Those that don't have editorial freedom.

Generally, you will find that many of the more dubious media ticks several of the boxes above. These are things that tend to go hand in hand. As for bias, that bias is somehow the big problem is overblown. It's when the bias is coupled with bad media practice or poor ethics you have an issue. A communist-leaning newspaper can write good articles, and so can a pro-capitalism one - as long as they abide by decent press ethics.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. No maze of circumstances. No hidden agendas. No multi layered plans. No existential threats. Just a cigar. In the fantasy conspiracy media world with reporters such as yourself - cigars are literally never cigars.

Now, can people like you be right in some ways at times? Perhaps, but those broken clock being right twice a day moments get offset by all the artificial worlds and constructs you create to explain often times mundane human behavior by mundane humans, even if those mundane humans are in a position of power. Humans still gonna human in the end, but that is not allowed in your world and how you report it from the conspiracy media to try to serve your obsessive agendas.

Fortunately, what you have to say has pretty much zero impact on anything, so while it is disappointing to see some of your toxic content when you veer away from relatively harmless issues, in the end humans wired the way you are will behave the way humans wired like you behave. No master plans, no hidden agendas, no existential threats. You are just bahaving the way you as a human with your paranoid obsessions will behave. Kind of simple in the end. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. We both know that.

All the best.

Tame_deuces for poster of the year. Nailed it as usual.

CNN is not news. It is entertainment.

They incorrectly fact check the President all the time. They are firing up a left leaning base.

Their ratings suck compared to Fox News because they are slime and cringeworthy.

Well, that's, like, your opinion, man.

Do you have some examples of this please? I am sure they must be easy to find, since it happens all the time.

Fox - fair and balanced. CNN - slime and cringeworthy. Lol - you.

Many would agree with you that Fox News is slime and cringeworthy, and definitely no shortage of videos to back that claim of yours, however Fox News is also in the same competitive space as other news media, so they will do what they can to entertain their followers, as that is how that industry works. Fox News carved a niche that they appeal to, and then cater to them with their offering.

Does that make the news less newsy on the as you call it the slime Fox News and other stations at times? Definitely. Is it some overriding conspiracy of secret backroom people doing blood oaths? Nah. Its just humans being human and businesses being business, and the "news" business has morphed over the years to reflect that to become more newsentertainment.

Anyway, keep that in mind the next time you watch Fox News and cringe - they are simply putting forth a product that their consumers want.

All the best.

Retracted Story about Russia Dossier
Don Lemon mocked Trump supporters as stupid
Candy Crowley incorrectly corrected Mitt Romney during a Presidential debate
Fired reporters over story linking Scarmucci to 10 Billion dollars
Ran a story about wiki leaks without seeing the email evidence that they quoted
Lied about Lanny Davis was a source about a story that was false regarding Michael Cohen giving Mueller information regarding Trump Tower meeting
ETC. ETC. ETC.

CNN like all news networks is for profit.

Yes they bash Trump non stop but he does create the target.

I would say the left can not admit they are biased towards the democratic candidates just as Fox is to the Republican Candidate.

There are elements of both networks that are fair and some are just opinionated.



I would add in the Covington Kid THey destroyed him and were so wrong that CNN settled and I never saw a retraction or apology from anyone.

They can both be trash of course.

Here is a fun exercise for you. Go ahead and provide an equivalent list that the media supporting the other side has done wrong in your opinion. Be specific of course, since you are all about the facts ETC. ETC. ETC.

All the best.

Did they retract the stories where they made a mistake?
Do Fox retract stories where they make mistakes?

Also, mocking Trump supporters as stupid is not "incorrrectly fact checking" anyone. If it's an opinion segment, he can say what he wants. Like, you know, Donny Junior coming on Fox and saying "democrats aren't even people" for example.