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Trump-Ukraine Imbroglio: Who Is That Whistleblower? Trump-Ukraine Imbroglio: Who Is That Whistleblower?

02-13-2020 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I'm no expert on US alt-right media, but I would think Infowars and Daily Stormer also make the lists. I'm guessing many alt-right figures would distance themselves from the latter (as it basically embraces Nazism directly) but its troll army is undoubtedly one of the most important tools for spreading the alt-right narrative. President Trump's success owes a fair bit to that.

There is also the thousands of meta-sites, blogs, Youtube channels, 4chan subcultures, Facebook groups, subreddits and social media pundits that drive the whole thing forward in a rather convoluted combination of bots and people. You also have state agencies that are directly involved. Russian intelligence is notorious for its link to alt-right and nationalist groups (there are even news reports of state-sponsored training camps in Russia, where foreign nationals are invited to join), and use them in the same way that the CCCP of old used communist groups to convey their propaganda.

And it can be scarily effective. I'm always reminded of the debate surrounding the FCC decision to gut net neutrality. It is one of the few debates I have followed with some interest on alt-right fora (I generally avoid giving them traffic). Initially there was widespread skepticism, but then you suddenly saw an enormous wipe and the skeptics were silenced and censored across the board. It's one of the most incredible displays of generating a consensus online I have ever seen. I'm not generally one to go into conspiracy theory land, but at this point I am fairly certain that there are key figures in this world rake in vast amounts of money to sell narratives.
Forgot about Daily Stormer. It is blatantly white-supremacist stuff, which is more "subtle" in Breitbart and Daily Caller.
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02-22-2020 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by luckproof
So correct me if I'm wrong.

Trump was accused of withholding aide to Ukraine unless they investigated Biden and his son WRT Burisma.

Biden threatened to withhold aide if the prosecutor looking into his son's company wasn't fired. (Prosecutor was fired)
[Replying here to avoid derailing the other thread]

This is pretty much exactly why I commented on those two posts. This level of analysis is essentially equivalent to "assault weapons kill people, banning them will reduce gun deaths". At the most superficial level it's mostly accurate but ignores the entirety of the surrounding context.

What Biden did was entirely public and he was enacting bipartisan, congressionally approved foreign policy, that was also supported by many US allies. The stuff about Burisma is essentially irrelevant because the prosecutor was explicitly not taking any action about corruption, including having directly thwarted British investigations into Burisma by ignoring requests for information. It was the prosecutor's lack of action into cases such as Burisma that was the reason for the policy in the first place.

Conversely, Trump deliberately avoided official channels and withheld congressionally approved funding. He was trying to get an (announcement of an) investigation into a political rival for actions that had already been investigated.

Incidentally the investigation into Burisma had nothing to do with Hunter Biden because it was focused on events that had occurred long before he was on the board. While Hunter taking the role was probably a bad idea, and him being offered it in the first place is something of an indictment of nepotism throughout the world, there was has never been even the slightest bit of evidence that he ever did/was involved with anything illegal.
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02-22-2020 , 12:53 PM
They already know this stuff. Won't change the fact that we'll still see--but Biden did the same thing too going forward. And is there a person alive that doesn't believe the republicans are perfectly fine with nepotism??
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