I did think that he was trying to "bait" me, but then I thought why would a nice lad like that do such a thing? You just never know about young people these days.

Ah yes, the alt-right news cycle. Where realization comes before evidence.

Leak imagination to the echo-chambers, wait for blog or Reddit posts, use this as evidence, write article with "sources claim", present article to echo-chambers, wait for everyone to go "We knew it!" and share it.

Not that slanted news is unique to the alt-right, but they've sure perfected the art.

What significant players in the media other than Breitbart and the Daily Caller are alt-right?

I'm no expert on US alt-right media, but I would think Infowars and Daily Stormer also make the lists. I'm guessing many alt-right figures would distance themselves from the latter (as it basically embraces Nazism directly) but its troll army is undoubtedly one of the most important tools for spreading the alt-right narrative. President Trump's success owes a fair bit to that.

There is also the thousands of meta-sites, blogs, Youtube channels, 4chan subcultures, Facebook groups, subreddits and social media pundits that drive the whole thing forward in a rather convoluted combination of bots and people. You also have state agencies that are directly involved. Russian intelligence is notorious for its link to alt-right and nationalist groups (there are even news reports of state-sponsored training camps in Russia, where foreign nationals are invited to join), and use them in the same way that the CCCP of old used communist groups to convey their propaganda.

And it can be scarily effective. I'm always reminded of the debate surrounding the FCC decision to gut net neutrality. It is one of the few debates I have followed with some interest on alt-right fora (I generally avoid giving them traffic). Initially there was widespread skepticism, but then you suddenly saw an enormous wipe and the skeptics were silenced and censored across the board. It's one of the most incredible displays of generating a consensus online I have ever seen. I'm not generally one to go into conspiracy theory land, but at this point I am fairly certain that there are key figures in this world rake in vast amounts of money to sell narratives.

Looks like the History Cycle is converging on the News Cycle.


PairTheBoard

It's a bit of a hen vs egg conundrum either way. If the liberal (as in principles of constitution, not political direction) state can't survive a demagogue, it is only a matter of time before it collapses anyway. Trump is certainly a poor excuse for a leader and a corrupt politician, but he wouldn't be able to thrive unless the institutions he stands on are already rotten.

And the final chapters aren't written. I won't be surprised if in some years there is a reckoning with the developments we have seen over the last few years. Truth might be uncomfortable and politically inconvenient in the short term, but it is always superior in the long-term.

But it probably requires a generational shift, which is blunt way of saying that it probably won't come until a lot of the people involved have died of old age. On a more morbid note that can happen pretty soon, since the political establishment and leaders of these institutions are pretty damn old on average.

If OJ confessed to the murders I'd believe him because there is a ton of evidence that he killed them and it's not in his personal interest to cop to murders whether he did them or not. So I believe republican senators when they say Trump is guilty because there is a ton of evidence he is and it's not in their personal interest to say he's guilty.

Well OJ is a unique example that has come up in the Epstein thread due to the connection with "America's pathologist" Michael Baden--but needless to say I would not believe OJ if he confessed.

Ok.... so you believe OJ now when he says he's innocent?

He's not innocent just not a murderer.

Well, giving you the presumption you're not just trolling....OJ had motive opportunity and there is physical evidence that he did it. If he confessed to the murders and you somehow still don't believe it, there isn't really any hope for you ever joining the adult table. Of course I think you're just trolling so let's just leave it at that.

It was a made for TV production. The "trial of the century"...similar to this impeachment charade. Christopher Darden has an imdb page. Michael Baden was involved. OJ already was an actor of course. Nobody died. Nicole Brown has reappeared in the public eye with perhaps a nose job but that's it.
So like I said--OJ is a unqiue and poor example that you used.

Great job on the new forum! Who, besides literally everyone, could have figured out that this place would turn out this way.

Lol yep.

But leaving aside the OJ stuff, you can explain what the Republican interest is in not saying Trump is guilty or why what Romney says means anything--because I assume we are talking about Romney here.

Lol Jesus

I know and it gets crazier too. And sorry WN I try to leave the zanier stuff out of threads like this but I was told I would have to believe OJ if he said he did it to sit at the adults table and screw that.

I like how you fools come in on the more disputable stuff to say stuff like this, like, you really think Luckbox is indicative of the body of posting here? Which, btw, is still mostly filled with progressive [insert synonym for bullshit here] which, is at least as disputable, but folks like you remain silent when BernieBro's go crazy.

i said i wouldn't post itt, but i have been reading it. that young man, ronald goldman, fought his ass off against a professional athlete with a knife. a man who basically cut the head off a woman. and he got stabbed...it was overkill.

most people have seen his father, fred, in tears.

show some respect for the dead.

Sorry Anatta. I do try to keep this sort of stuff contained to the threads that people open at their own risk. And while I wish that we lived in a world where we could believe everything that passes across the TV screen, it simply isn't the world we live in.

Well, when it comes to these kind of conspiracy theories, the personal level is where they start to fall apart.

Are we supposed to assume that all the family members of the fake dead people are in on it? Are we supposed to think they aren't and Nicole Brown and the other guy they just walked about from their families to start new identities for some inexplicable reason?

Your theories really fall apart at this level.

Can we call it a day on this particular derail, please?

I am not sure things are as doom and gloom as you are portraying. Comparing what happened in Turkey vs the US (and a lot of other historical examples), I would say our institutions have held up fairly well. All our institutions are still functioning reasonably well (or as well as can be expected in such ideologically divided times), and I think even Trumpkins will invite a return to political normalcy once his term is up in 1 or 5 years.

As appealing of an idea as it is to think we can die our way out of it--I'm not totally convinced that will happen. There were people in the mid60s who were certain buds would be legal in a few years when the olds died off. And then decades went by--and we're still not really there. I'd love to think just working the boomers out of our system would get us back on track--but considerable resources were directed at controlling them and I think the people doing it fully intend on squeezing every last drop of value out of the project. Look how much they've managed to accomplish in the last ~50yrs--and they've got a massive war chest to go along with it at this point. They're ~55-75 now which means quite a few could be around for a while still. And as depressing as it is to see--they've managed to suck in a decent amount of younger people already.

What do you know about the families? I'm pretty sure the answer is nothing or next to nothing. They are people that appeared on the television screen and that's it. There isn't anything about them that causes this to fall apart.
That doesn't mean that there aren't real people involved. My mom went to high school with Christopher Darden. But as I've tried to argue repeatedly--when your prosecutor and your pathologist have imdb pages there is probably a problem. I'm far from an expert on stuff related to OJ-- and what I consider most compelling is also the most crazy--so consider my thoughts on OJ to be more like decently strong opinions as opposed to something like say the more recent Michael Baden involved case which is Epstein, where I'm at a level of confidence that is closer to certainty. But I don't think your objection has much merit.


Yes.