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It is very easy to claim the Senators won't convict Trump at this point in time and use it as a threat against the House to not go through with the impeachment. It is another thing to maintain that position after the evidence is presented to the Senate, Trump presents his defense and perhaps even testifies on his own behalf, where he admits he traded aid and a meeting for the investigation into Biden.

I know people on both sides of spectrum who claim that they will "take a matter to trial" or "appeal all the way to the Supreme Court" a year out from a trial date and are begging to settle the night of trial.

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11-23-2019 , 01:52 PM

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1. Any support for impeachment by a hater is not valid as it stems entirely from their personal feelings.
2. Anyone who does not unconditionally support Trump is a hater.

Therefore, there is no possible way to legitimately support impeachment.

Agree with 1. Disagree with 2.

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11-23-2019 , 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

Agree with 1. Disagree with 2.

Please list the democratic congressmen or women who are not Trump haters

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11-23-2019 , 02:52 PM

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Please list the democratic congressmen or women who are not Trump haters

Probably none of them. Which kind of proves my point, as they have been trying to impeach Trump since he got elected. It's got to the point where it is a full blown obsession in search of a crime. They failed miserably with Russia and no doubt will fail miserably with this latest totally partisan fiasco.

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11-23-2019 , 03:27 PM

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kind of proves my point

joe blow, they sure took their time getting the **** around to even investigating whether to impeach him, which is where there at now.

joe blow, there's like a handful of trump cronies in ****ing jail... so far. That russia thing was like the gift that keeps giving.

sounds like you're all turned around from impeachapalooza exhaustion.

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11-23-2019 , 03:33 PM

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Trump has never given a flying **** about people who are no longer useful to him.

Nobody in jail is useful to him.

Manafort and Inc. are in for a long wait if they are expecting pardons.

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11-23-2019 , 03:41 PM

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this latest totally partisan fiasco.

joe joe dancer, what are your thoughts about Devin Nunes having met with an ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on Biden? You okay with that sort of partisan bias, like the rest of the GOP who had no problem with him leading the impeachment hearings for the minority anyway?

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11-23-2019 , 04:00 PM

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Devin Nunes To Take Swift Legal Action Against CNN For ‘Demonstrably False’ Story

Lol you people just own yourselves all the time.

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Nunes said: “These demonstrably false and scandalous stories published by the Daily Beast and CNN are the perfect example of defamation and reckless disregard for the truth. Some political operative offered these fake stories to at least five different media outlets before finding someone irresponsible enough to publish them. I look forward to prosecuting these cases, including the media outlets, as well as the sources of their fake stories, to the fullest extent of the law. I intend to hold the Daily Beast and CNN accountable for their actions. They will find themselves in court soon after Thanksgiving".

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11-23-2019 , 04:11 PM

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kind of proves my point

joe blow, they sure took their time getting the **** around to even investigating whether to impeach him, which is where there at now.

joe blow, there's like a handful of trump cronies in ****ing jail... so far. That russia thing was like the gift that keeps giving.

sounds like you're all turned around from impeachapalooza exhaustion.

How many of them are in jail for colluding with Russia?

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11-23-2019 , 04:11 PM

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So he is claiming parnas lawyer did not say he would testify to that effect? Something tells me this threat of a lawsuit will die off with a whimper.

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11-23-2019 , 04:20 PM

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Another way to look at it would be that trump has done a bunch of scummy things, which is a big part of why people hate him.

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11-23-2019 , 04:40 PM

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Both points and the conclusion are a bunch of crap. Facts matter, nothing else.

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11-23-2019 , 04:43 PM

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Both points and the conclusion are a bunch of crap. Facts matter, nothing else.

Facts do matter I agree. Which is why the impeachment will fail.

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11-23-2019 , 04:44 PM

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POLITICO: Top Dem says ethics investigation into Devin Nunes likely

Bloomberg (Opinion): Devin Nunes Goes Hunting for Witches

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11-23-2019 , 04:52 PM

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Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was convicted of making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition, and he was dismissed from his position.[12][13]

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[14] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[15][16] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[17][18] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[19] in February 2018.

Russians implicated in election interference: Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens and three Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency (IRA), for conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections,[20] and twelve members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, for hacking and leaking DNC emails [21] in June 2018.

Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's business partner in Ukraine, was indicted for witness tampering at the behest of Manafort;[22] Kilimnik is suspected of working for Russian intelligence.[23]
Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer, pled guilty to making hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in violation of campaign finance laws, and was convicted for several unrelated counts of bank and tax fraud.[24][25]

George Papadopoulos Trump campaign adviser was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[26]

Maria Butina, who had claimed to be a Russian gun activist, was investigated by the Special Counsel investigators and then prosecuted by the National Security Law Unit. She was imprisoned for espionage after entering a guilty plea.[27][28]

Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[29] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[30] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[31]

Wkipedia: Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019)

I would recommend to read it every day, after waking up and before going to be.

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11-23-2019 , 04:53 PM

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Lol you people just own yourselves all the time.

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lol, talk about self owning... the man is suing a ****ing cow and you act like this is some grand gotcha. LOLOL

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11-23-2019 , 04:56 PM

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How many of them are in jail for colluding with Russia?

Who the **** cares about the "no collusion" takes. They're in jail for crimes because they are criminals. Trump is a non-indicted co-conspirator, only still in the wild because the DOJ opinion that POTUS cannot be indicted.

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11-23-2019 , 04:57 PM

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Facts do matter I agree. Which is why the impeachment will fail.

Jumping joe, will impeachment fail or are you talking about senate conviction? They are different things.

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11-23-2019 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stringbettor View Post
1. Any support for impeachment by a hater is not valid as it stems entirely from their personal feelings.
2. Anyone who does not unconditionally support Trump is a hater.

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

Agree with 1. Disagree with 2.

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Both points and the conclusion are a bunch of crap. Facts matter, nothing else.

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Facts do matter I agree. Which is why the impeachment will fail.

Is it one or the other? Or more self ownage?

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11-23-2019 , 05:18 PM

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lol, talk about self owning... the man is suing a ****ing cow and you act like this is some grand gotcha. LOLOL

A fake cow

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11-23-2019 , 05:23 PM

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Jumping joe, will impeachment fail or are you talking about senate conviction? They are different things.

If the senate doesn't convict (which it won't) then impeachment is a failure. And collossal waste of time.

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11-23-2019 , 05:31 PM

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11-24-2019 , 12:15 AM

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NBC News: Giuliani attacks foes, claims again to have 'insurance' to stay in Trump's good graces

He made the claim to have insurance a while ago when asked what he'll do if he gets thrown under the bus. That sounds like an incentive to the bus driver.

Maybe there is something totally different and unrelated to the Bidens inside of the safe, like a smocking gun. Or it's empty eventually.

Spoiler:

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11-24-2019 , 01:02 AM

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Must be some sort of 3D chess, because ey, it's Rudy Guiliani, one of the best lawyers you can find, besides of Saul of course.

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11-24-2019 , 02:07 AM

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"I've seen things written like he's going to throw me under the bus," Giuliani said. "When they say that, I say he isn't, but I have insurance."

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The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office

of course. makes sense. Trump didn't say "would be Putin" it was "wouldn't be", Mulvaney didnt say "quid pro quo", the media got that wrong when he said it. And yes, insurance against Trump sarcastically just means Joe Biden is corruption personified. Because why the f not.

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