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05-18-2020 , 08:56 PM
In our culture, it's universally accepted that leaders take responsibility. Whether it's our great sports or business leaders, they take personal responsibility for the failures and give their teammates/co-workers credit for the success.

Not this sack of ****. He hogs any glory to be had and always places blame on someone else. Corona is just another in a long line of examples. Instead of taking responsibility for USA #1 leading the world in deaths, this stupid sack of **** places blame on Obama and China.

Interested in how the Trump "Stan's" defend this morons complete lack of leadership skills. My instincts tell me they would say that say, "he's a politician, he can't 'take responsibility'". Ok, so you admit we didn't hire some genius businessman? And that he's just another wormy, lying, scumbag politician whose only skill is marketing?
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05-18-2020 , 09:09 PM
I thought the saying went, "the buck stops with me". This moron has a slightly different take: "the buck stops with everyone but me".

****ing joke!
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05-18-2020 , 10:15 PM
Trump is afraid to take responsibility on failure because he lacks confidence , knows is not competent so he end up lying about everything to hide it ,
by saying everything is the greatest ever when it comes from him and the worst ever for his competition .
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05-18-2020 , 10:41 PM
I don't read sack of **** news or watch that cable bullshit, so I actually thought I was the first person to make this observation. A cursory google search shows I'm not.
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05-19-2020 , 02:05 AM
He sure is


Def The WOAT
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05-19-2020 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vafongool
In our culture, it's universally accepted that leaders take responsibility. Whether it's our great sports or business leaders, they take personal responsibility for the failures and give their teammates/co-workers credit for the success.
Cute that you believe that.
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05-19-2020 , 05:03 AM
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WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said Monday that he is taking a malaria drug to lessen symptoms should he get the new coronavirus, even though the drug is unproven for fighting COVID-19.

Trump told reporters he has been taking the drug, hydroxychloroquine, and a zinc supplement daily “for about a week and a half now.” Trump spent weeks pushing the drug as a potential cure for COVID-19 against the cautionary advice of many of his administration’s top medical professionals.
love the way he lies.
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05-19-2020 , 06:17 AM
As a foreigner my view on the archetypical US leadership ideal isn't necessarily "taking responsibility", as much as it is "results first". I think US culture often forgives sharp elbows and shortcuts, but has a low tolerance for poor performance.

To be clear, I don't think Trump has shown good performance. I think he has (up until recently) been the figurehead of a super-heated economy with slight rot. But performance in politics is easier to lie about than responsibility.
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05-19-2020 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by vafongool
In our culture, it's universally accepted that leaders take responsibility. Whether it's our great sports or business leaders, they take personal responsibility for the failures and give their teammates/co-workers credit for the success.

Not this sack of ****. He hogs any glory to be had and always places blame on someone else. Corona is just another in a long line of examples. Instead of taking responsibility for USA #1 leading the world in deaths, this stupid sack of **** places blame on Obama and China.

Interested in how the Trump "Stan's" defend this morons complete lack of leadership skills. My instincts tell me they would say that say, "he's a politician, he can't 'take responsibility'". Ok, so you admit we didn't hire some genius businessman? And that he's just another wormy, lying, scumbag politician whose only skill is marketing?
Trump is very much your average corporate business person.

He's also a good example of why you don't want to run a country like a business.

And while I agree with your premise that a president should be a leader (I think that's a big part of the job description), when is the last time we've actually had one ?

They're pretty much all working for corporate interests all the time.
Trump is just too dumb not to lie about it. lol
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05-19-2020 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Trump is very much your average corporate business person.
That's deeply unfair on the average cooperate business person. And I have a low opinion of them.

He is a salesman of the morally bankrupt variety. One who stared very wealthy and then got very lucky with the huge influx of dubious money from russia/etc.
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05-19-2020 , 09:37 AM
He has the morals of a poker player.
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05-19-2020 , 10:14 AM
Trump is an idiot but it seems like the left gets a pass on doing horrible things as well.
All I need to do is point to Justin Trudeau he gets a pass just cause he wears cute socks and speaks well.
He has Sexual assault, breaking the law, racism and trashing military heroes as well but he speaks so well and gets a pass.

Covid 19 other than a better health care system we seem to be doing the same job federally other than we are doing better on the bailout front

AS bad as he is what is the democrats best ? Sleepy Joe you think Hilary would have taught them something
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05-19-2020 , 10:25 AM
Thank you for that enlightening post.
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05-19-2020 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That's deeply unfair on the average cooperate business person. And I have a low opinion of them.

He is a salesman of the morally bankrupt variety. One who stared very wealthy and then got very lucky with the huge influx of dubious money from russia/etc.

I used the adjective 'corporate' on purpose.
As in CEO type.

Most of them didn't build up a business. They're just corporate climbers who started on third base (mostly) and climbed to the top. Some are good at what they do, some aren't so good but their 'leadership' qualities are about the same as Trump's.

He is a decent salesman though. Credit where credit is due.
No one likes car salesmen much but they do make a living.
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05-19-2020 , 01:10 PM
this has been said before but he's the perfect example of what a beta male thinks an alpha is, because its a distorted view of how they themselves act in brief moments of self confidence that they think was "totally alpha". petty, narcissistic, vindictive, and whiny.

he's the dumb person version of a smart person. the weak's idea of strong, etc. etc.
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05-19-2020 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vafongool
I thought the saying went, "the buck stops with me". This moron has a slightly different take: "the buck stops with everyone but me".

****ing joke!
You are an angry little fella lol
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05-19-2020 , 01:39 PM
I agree he has no leadership skills. What are some good examples of leaders who do?
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05-19-2020 , 01:49 PM
He is the opposite of how we define a leader but a leader that we deserve and one that is modeled of the behaviors and actions of 30 percent of the country.

Sure he is a clown car train wreck but so are his supporters. So it is a good fit.

The only real issue is there is no way that minority should decide who the president is and the huge flaws in the system that allow for that need to be remedied.

But be assured, many trump supporters love that he is a dumbass murder troll. Just ask joe six pack.
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05-19-2020 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Trump is afraid to take responsibility on failure because he lacks confidence , knows is not competent so he end up lying about everything to hide it ,
by saying everything is the greatest ever when it comes from him and the worst ever for his competition .
Trump is definitely a coward who never takes responsibility for anything. Most people would fire people who worked for them for behaving the way he does.

Pretty telling that mr. business could not even hold a job at McDonald’s because of his character flaws.
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05-19-2020 , 02:20 PM
grunch

He's been a failure ever since he exited the womb.
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05-19-2020 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I used the adjective 'corporate' on purpose.
As in CEO type.

Most of them didn't build up a business. They're just corporate climbers who started on third base (mostly) and climbed to the top. Some are good at what they do, some aren't so good but their 'leadership' qualities are about the same as Trump's.

He is a decent salesman though. Credit where credit is due.
No one likes car salesmen much but they do make a living.
He is a decent salesman. One of the top of his type. You got me defending car salesman now but even most car salesman are not the same sort - trump is the type who would sell you a car package for a lot of money and then you find you somehow don't own the car.

I worded for someone very similar briefly many years ago. Only time I've been fired - literally for delivering the thing we sold.
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05-19-2020 , 06:56 PM
He's a great conman.
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05-19-2020 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
He is a decent salesman. One of the top of his type. You got me defending car salesman now but even most car salesman are not the same sort - trump is the type who would sell you a car package for a lot of money and then you find you somehow don't own the car.

I worded for someone very similar briefly many years ago. Only time I've been fired - literally for delivering the thing we sold.
I tend to agree , he did bankrupt 7 times and still he got assets to manage !
Or maybe it just showed that it’s not because you have a lot of money you are very smart.
Tho republicans loved to think people succeeding in business are the smartest one lol ..

Even buffet says you don’t need a super high IQ to make money in the markets...
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05-19-2020 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
As a foreigner my view on the archetypical US leadership ideal isn't necessarily "taking responsibility", as much as it is "results first". I think US culture often forgives sharp elbows and shortcuts, but has a low tolerance for poor performance.

To be clear, I don't think Trump has shown good performance. I think he has (up until recently) been the figurehead of a super-heated economy with slight rot. But performance in politics is easier to lie about than responsibility.
That's the entire reason they've been trying to sell the librul coronavirus line bs so hard.
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