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08-13-2021 , 05:07 AM
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'Deeply disturbing': Trump's latest Capitol riot statement is more incitement to violence

How GOP Is Turning Jan. 6 Rioters Into Martyrs
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08-13-2021 , 04:22 PM
You don't say...

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08-13-2021 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If I am not mistaken, this poster is a big Trumper, based on all the LOL posts from goofy, so this is a good example of why today will be essentially an end to Trumpism. Trump figured out a way to literally divide his own cult, the guy manages to lose in ways that are pretty impressive.
This post did not age well.
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08-13-2021 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
They will absolutely identify and find these guys. They are looking at super long prison sentences. This is not going to end well for them.
This did not age well either.
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08-17-2021 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein2
This post did not age well.
Aged fine. He is still not President, and he will not be President ever again. Perhaps you are one of those that believes he will be re-instated at varying dates this year? Credit where credit is due - Trump can still grift his derps, but that was always his skill, and politically he is declining pretty quickly.

You can certainly bet that he will be the next President and get some decent odds for it. If that interests you then let me know as I can only hope that Trumpderps bring back even a fraction of their generosity in future years like they did in 2020.

All the best.
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08-20-2021 , 03:09 AM
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Capitol rioter was about to be sentenced after pleading guilty to one misdemeanor count.
But then amateur cyber-sleuths uncovered video of him appearing to assault a police officer.
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08-21-2021 , 07:38 AM
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Maybe it is true that there was no grand conspiracy to send armed militias to disrupt the election certification.
But that just means Donald Trump is even more responsible for everything that happened that day—and since
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08-25-2021 , 06:04 AM
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We must know if Congress members aided and abetted the riot


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Congress Will Seize Phone Records From Jan. 6

Last edited by steamraise; 08-25-2021 at 06:09 AM.
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08-30-2021 , 09:42 PM
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as lawmakers were evacuated to a safe room on January 6th,
Congressman Jim Jordan was joined by Congressman Matt Gaetz and together they,
"implored Trump to tell his supporters to stand down"
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/n...6-119831109584

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Watch Trump’s former lawyer, Sidney Powell, try and justify 'stolen election' claims
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08-31-2021 , 01:46 AM
Do you work for smartmatic? What a joke
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08-31-2021 , 04:16 PM
Sidney Powell is emblematic of all that is bad and corrupt within law.

No industry should self regulate, as law does, as the conflict of interest to allow as wide and abusive and frivolous suits to exist is one that benefits the entire industry. For every Sidney Powell type lawyer menacing a corporation or person wrongly, there is a good, proper lawyer on the other side mounting the defense. Win/Win, even as your own lawyer is telling you how bad it is.

Judges are mostly lawyers and so to are many politicians, as well as the DOJ (all lawyers) so the conflict up and down the chain to actually let it be wide and abusive and find in favour of that latitude for lawyers is baked in at almost every layer that should be a check and balance.

The Law Society needs the equivalent of a civilian oversight, and perhaps a civilian lead Internal Affairs investigatory branch that can act against lawyers

These were the two major findings by the judge against Powell et al which will not move this disbarment and sanctions ahead...


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"bad faith and for improper purpose.”

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“Further, they presented pleadings that were not ‘warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or establishing new law’ and contained factual contentions lacking evidentiary support or likely to have evidentiary support,”
Elements of these types of things exist far too often in way too many lawsuits and yet nothing it done to the lawyers.

And that is before you even get to divorce law. A pure scourge on society that the vast, vast majority of the time does not serve either party other than to take advantage of their desire to fight.

Lawyers often ending up with 1/3rd of the entire estate while the parents split a 1/3rd each.

The incentive to settle it quickly and easily is just not there.

There is no need for 99% of divorce cases to be litigated. There is very little 'unique art' that could not be dealt with prior precedent case material. There are so many divorces now the case law is vast.

Instead of allowing a costly court fight first, simply require all couples to go to mediation that will utilize current case law to render a verdict and split. You make X he makes Y your split is Z, and here is case law to split it. Etc.

Now your entire divorce is settled without a fight and with minimal cost (just a set fee).

If one party still feels so aggrieved they can still sue in court, but the judge will get to use the Findings of the mediator, and if he agrees with them and rules in line with the mediator, the petitioning party pays all the costs of litigation for both of them from their share.

Done. But divorce law is massive money. One of the biggest pillars in law so you see very few reforms in this area.
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09-01-2021 , 08:22 AM
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One House Republican described Madison Cawthorn's latest election rhetoric as "insane."
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Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) mused about busting Jan. 6 "political hostages"
out of government custody at a raucous Macon County Republican Party meeting

He held a shotgun during part of his appearance at the local event, and publicly
mused about freeing suspected Jan. 6 criminals and possible efforts to "bust them out."

When someone in the audience asked, "When are you going to call us to
Washington again?" Cawthorn replied, "We are actively working on that one."

if our election systems continue to be rigged, and continue to be stolen, then it's going to lead to one place, and it's bloodshed.

I will tell you, as much as I am willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there is nothing
that I would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow American
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...nsane-n1278120
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09-01-2021 , 09:25 AM
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Kevin McCarthy threatened companies that might
participate in the Jan. 6 select committee’s investigation,
saying Republicans would remember their involvement when the GOP comes back into power.
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09-01-2021 , 11:10 AM
Both of the above expose the sickness in the Republican party currently.

The party honestly needs to die and be reborn. No saving the current iteration.

If there is no law to arrest and charge Cawthorn that is a flaw in the legal system. His remarks have no place.

McCarthy is clearly threatening Corporations. He refuses to cite any law that is being broken and is just demanding the corporations defy duly constituted legal subpoenas (find a reason) or a future Republican majority will make you pay.

He is literarily demanding Corporations ignore the law and act out of Political interest only.

Disgusting.
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09-07-2021 , 07:10 PM
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Kevin McCarthy did his best to exonerate Donald Trump in the Jan. 6 attack.

"The FBI has investigated this
The Senate had bipartisan committees come back.
And you know what they've found — that there's no involvement [between Trump and the riot]"
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ility-n1278599
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09-17-2021 , 09:45 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/dan-qu...story-n1279406
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Pence rejected President Donald Trump’s demands that he abdicate his duty
as vice president and refuse to certify Joe Biden’s 2020 election win over Trump.

For fulfilling his duty, Pence has been hailed as a hero

Pence didn’t come to his heroism naturally. He had to be guided to it by an unlikely source:
former Vice President Dan Quayle who reportedly told Pence he had no option but to do his job.

indisputable truth: A president who’d been voted out demanded
his vice president break the law to help him hold onto power,
and because he didn’t, a mob outside erected a gallows.
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09-17-2021 , 10:17 PM
Trump was not demanding Pence break the law, as i understand it. He was asking him to break a Norm and a Constitutional Obligation.

That norm and obligation is that the VP would follow his obligation to read out the results of the Electoral College and Proclaim the new POTUS.

The VP is afforded no 'opinion' or 'judgement' or 'flexibility' in the process. He is solely too read out what he is given.

Trump wanted him to simply not do it. Refuse. Just as Trump had the IRS refuse to hand over his Tax Returns ("Shall") which then forces a Constitutional crisis.

In that Constitutional Crisis Trump would then step in and say 'Biden is not the properly constituted POTUS, the Senate has not recognized him, and I will continue to serve until this resolved at the Supreme Court'.

His hope was that in the time it would take for the Supreme Court to rule he could get is minions at the State level to invalidate a bunch of votes and declare him the winner and that just like in Al Gore V Bush, the Supreme Court would rule, those votes are not to be counted and Trump remains POTUS.

When he realized Pence might not play his role, that is when they resorted to Plan B, again right out of the Roger Stone, Florida Gore/Bush playbook of trying to incite a mob to interrupt the proceedings, and destroy their ability to conclude the count and transition.

They very nearly got there. As Pence and his family were being directed around by the Secret Service as the Insurrection boiled, the Secret Service wanted Pence to get in a Car so they could take him to safety. It is said one of Pence's closest secret services confidents warned him if he got in that car he would never be returned to the Capital to finish his duties. An order was going to come in from the POTUS, Trump to ensure Pence was safe and not return him to the Capital, and as such Pence defied and overrode that suggestion and demanded they remain in the Capital.

Pence seemed to have an out if he really wanted one, by getting in the car and then blaming Trump, which runs somewhat counter to the claim in the new book that he was really looking for a way to acquiesce to Trump in that request.
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09-17-2021 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee

The party honestly needs to die and be reborn.
Well, you’re half right anyway.
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09-17-2021 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Aged fine. He is still not President, and he will not be President ever again.
That is not the part of the post that did not age well.
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Perhaps you are one of those that believes he will be re-instated at varying dates this year?
You might want to work on those people-reading skills.
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Credit where credit is due - Trump can still grift his derps, but that was always his skill, and politically he is declining pretty quickly.

You can certainly bet that he will be the next President and get some decent odds for it. If that interests you then let me know as I can only hope that Trumpderps bring back even a fraction of their generosity in future years like they did in 2020.

All the best.
You are vastly underestimating his 2024 odds taking into account new voting laws in many swing states. He may not run, but if he does, it will absolutely be a sweat.
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09-17-2021 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein2
That is not the part of the post that did not age well.

You might want to work on those people-reading skills.

You are vastly underestimating his 2024 odds taking into account new voting laws in many swing states.
You are vastly underestimating the odds of a non mentally handicapped republican that is put forth as opposed to Trump to run in 2024 while taking into account the new voting laws in many swing states.
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09-17-2021 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
You are vastly underestimating the odds of a non mentally handicapped republican that is put forth as opposed to Trump to run in 2024 while taking into account the new voting laws in many swing states.
I have no idea whether he will decide to run again. I also have no idea what his health will be in 3 years. However, if he decides to run again and if his health in 3 years is reasonably equivalent to what it was 6 months ago then he will be the republican nominee for President of the United States. I have very little doubt about that.

Last edited by Einstein2; 09-17-2021 at 10:59 PM.
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09-18-2021 , 10:07 AM
I think the only thing that can keep Trump from running in 2024 is his health.

If his health allows it he will run. I would bet on that.

(the above does not consider a criminal conviction taking him out of play, which is a very low odds event imo.)
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09-18-2021 , 10:52 AM
I don't doubt there's a big risk of him getting reelected in 2024. People still post about him nonstop on social media like he's still president.
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09-18-2021 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Einstein2
I have no idea whether he will decide to run again. I also have no idea what his health will be in 3 years. However, if he decides to run again and if his health in 3 years is reasonably equivalent to what it was 6 months ago then he will be the republican nominee for President of the United States. I have very little doubt about that.
If he runs again Joe may be able to beat him. If its the VP Harris Trump will be president
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09-18-2021 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
If he runs again Joe may be able to beat him. If its the VP Harris Trump will be president
I don't think Trump or Joe should run in 2024 due to age but Trump is more likely too even if he is more compromised mentally and physically, as he is currently.

I do agree that Harris would lose to Trump and I don't think it would be close.

I honestly don't know who the Dems have in the ranks that would beat Trump, right now as I look down the list. I think someone like Al Gore could make a return and beat him in another Senior V Senior battle and as a counter to Trump I do think that is what voters are looking for. Nothing radical and a calm in the storm type leader.
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