Anybody laying 2:1 or more on either side of a presidential election 4 years away is a fish. Especially if it’s on the side that has won the popular vote once in the last 30 years.

I always thought Gavin Newsom would be great but that opinion has changed

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-...-myth-n1279489

I don't think Newsom was damaged Nationally by that recall. It might have actually helped him by highlighting the contrast between what people are rightly frustrated in with corporate Democrats and how awful the alternatives coming are.

Meaning it may have scared people in to more easily accepting the lesser of two evils arguments that people were (rightly) beginning to reject.

it will be interesting to see how Gavin polls nationally with a little distance from this and compare pre and post recall.


I personally find it very sad that the 'lesser of two evils' arguments will be again made much more valid due to Trump pushed candidates being so incredibly horrid. It is no longer just a Dem slightly to the left of the Republican. You have Republicans trying top destroy democracy itself and that needs to be dealt with no matter how bad the Democrat also is.

This rally was never going to be representative of anything.

Few of the people who attended the last riot and did damage could come to this one because due to facial recognition software and ongoing investigations they could very easily have been arrested in DC for what they did Jan 6.

And even if they didn't do anything Jan 6 they would probably be afraid that they would be arrested anyway just for having been there.

While i agree it is unlikely we see another Jan 6th, I do think that these rallies and groups will be opportunistic. Meaning if they show up at a place they feel is under prepared and they can overwhelm, they then might be emboldened to do so (the dumbest amongst them), but if they meet adequate preparations and measures they will not.

So it will remain a challenge for law enforcement as they will always seem over prepared, which then breeds second guessing and complacency and when that does result in them being under prepared they end up with an incident.

https://trendingpolitics.com/now-we-...m_source=86752

Awesome link. Two points:

1. Why would a Buy A 2024 Trump-4-President Banner be the first thing that pops up?

2. The commentaries are one sided. Sad.

nick what do you think that new video footage shows that no one knew prior or was denying?

I have not seen a single person suggest that the insurrectionists were only acting like lunatics wilding through the halls.

In fact the most effective strategy they had was to keep calm, proceed ever inward and then surround the officers, thus overwhelming them by numbers at which case the cops all said they would be afraid to try to use any of their weapons lest the nutjobs took them from and used them on them, under a justification of 'the cops tried threatened us first.'

For instance these photos do not show wilding but they absolutely show an insurrection where they were overwhelming the policing in an attempt to stop the legal proceedings going on inside.






And that is exactly why the shooting of Ashli Babbitt albeit tragic was completely justified.

The cries of 'but she was not threatening anyone' are silly and false.

Had she, followed by a stream of others refused to yield and flooded the room, arms out like the guy above the security protecting the Congress people would completely lose any ability to protect them from the mob.

You can say 'the mob meant no harm', 'the mob would only have been nice' and speculate any way you want that nothing bad would have happened had they just let it happen, but at no time is security obligated to allow that to happen and in so doing give up all their power to stop any bad thing from happening.

If you don't believe me just try to walk up to the POTUS, arms up and out and refuse to stop when ordered. In your heart mean no harm but do it anyway, and see what happens. And watch the Secret Service get off without charges if they kill you.

"Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence!" is just about as close to kumbaya as you can get.

Save all the liberal rage and hate. I simply posted a link that has to do with the topic. This is exactly why I've been staying away from this forum. Y'all are lunatics and full of rage.

On that note, I'm out.

You keep leaving and yet you're always here.

I hear this kind of talk, once you leave this forum you never come back!


See ya in a week.

Until you find the next piece of riggie type garbage and then you will be back to post it while complaining about anyone who addresses and shows why it garbage.

ProTip. Go back to the BFI and try and establish the Trump Derp Safe Space that others are desperate to create there with every post begging the Mods to ban anyone who counters the garbage.

Oh ya... see you back here soon.

You keep using this word that....and I mean this with all due respect..... you have no idea how its use WEAKENS your argument.

Looks like nick's gone off in a huff again for the time being. We'll probably see him again next Tuesday.

I watched Newsom on MTP Sunday and damn he has me back. He is such a great speaker though he sure has gone grey

The Democrats need new blood. Joe is killing them . YOu got two old guys damaging their own parties

Obama allowed himself to start getting more grey in the years leading up to his first POTUS run too. Take that as you will.

Lets assume Trump manages to do the one thing that should not happen and that is he awakens and motivates the Dem vote so much that the Republicans lose more seats in the 2022 midterms.

Lets assume that finally is the breaking point for the GOP and they reject Trump and Trumpism as something that can not win power.

I see a pretty robust field of Republicans then vying for the Party head. DeSantis and Chris Christie and handful more candidates who could all be decent leaders for that party.

With a Trump rejection I don't see Biden running even if his health is ok. And in the event he does not I do not see anyone in the last 2020 primaries who I think would beat Desantis or Christie if they offered up the Trump type tax policy positions and did so without scaring away the Independent and Suburb voters who rejected the extremism of Trump but not his positions.




I do think Gavin Newsome could beat them though. He has that Bill Clinton like look and feel appeal most on the left are comfortable with.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/re...tions-rcna4092

11/11 might be your next date!





Amazing how one term of Trump has made all the right wing lunacy and threats now defacto legal.

Just follow the Trump template of saying the most deplorable things out loud and in public and somehow that makes it better. Get caught whispering it and maybe get arrested but shout it out loud and all is fine.

The DOJ and FBI need to step up far more than they currently are and starting charging anyone who is issuing public threats. Let the threat of litigation put a chill on it, even if some cases lose due to 1st amendment issues.


oh and...

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-tr...epers-n1283431

While Trump is a pretty crappy influence, the responsibility for joining an anti-government movement as a police officer must rest on that particular individual.

Any law enforcement officer must be able to ignore undue influences, even if it comes from a powerful politician or a former politician. That isn't wishful thinking or fluffy idealism, it is the bare-bone minimum a citizen should expect from a public servant. That it might not be the reality of the current situation is irrelevant.